Democrat presidential debate official thread

Trump is adored by his base, no doubt. But the majority of the country hates the con man so there is a very good chance one of these 20 candidates will be president.

But the dems can blow it. The energy and the passion of the progressive faction of this party will end up killing this party. (1) threaten to get rid of private insurance? (2) completely open borders? (3) erase student debt? (4) free college tuition for 4 year schools? (5) minimum income for everyone?

The other dem ideas about addressing income disparity and unions and the environment and humanely dealing with immigrants and lower student loans rates and right to choice and dealing with blood sucking monopolies are on target.

Castro and Booker have pandering and honesty issues, Warren is too far left. Beto missed last night.

The other candidates for my interest.

The best chance the Dems have is to enter them all and then sum up their votes . Even then I am not sure they'd get enough to beat trump.

They are the lost generation of worthless candidates and empty suits.

hard to vote for wrote:

Libs don't want to hear it, but it will be hard to vote for any of these clowns. I don't like Trump and will not vote for him, but I really can't see going to the polls and voting for any of these jokers either.

+1

I said the same thing about Hillary. She wasn't compelling enough for people to want to really get to the polls and vote for. Same will happen here if a far left candidate gets the nod.

Trump 2020

Democrats lose again wrote:

Bunch of butt hurt hillary lovers who are united in their hatred of the unborn, Christians, family values, military, police, border security and white people.

I'd say that pretty much sums it up.

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I've been a fan of Gabbard since before she was running for president. And really, if we're going to have a crappy president, we might as well have something nice to look at.

Conundrum wrote:

Trump is adored by his base, no doubt. But the majority of the country hates the con man so there is a very good chance one of these 20 candidates will be president.

But the dems can blow it. The energy and the passion of the progressive faction of this party will end up killing this party. (1) threaten to get rid of private insurance? (2) completely open borders? (3) erase student debt? (4) free college tuition for 4 year schools? (5) minimum income for everyone?

The other dem ideas about addressing income disparity and unions and the environment and humanely dealing with immigrants and lower student loans rates and right to choice and dealing with blood sucking monopolies are on target.

Castro and Booker have pandering and honesty issues, Warren is too far left. Beto missed last night.

The other candidates for my interest.

The majority of the country does not hate the president. Not even close. You've been watching too much CNN. Get out of your insulated bubble, man. Our party is in real trouble again this election.

I look at these debates as a track event.

2 heats of 10.

How could we narrow it down to 1 heat of 10?

Have 4 Qs from each heat and 2 qs to be taken from either heat to advance to the next round.

Heat 1:

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio

Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan

Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro

New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren

Former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke

Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee

Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney

Heat 2:

Author and activist Marianne Williamson

Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper

Entrepreneur Andrew Yang

South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg

Former Vice President Joe Biden

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders

California Sen. Kamala Harris

New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand

Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet

California Rep. Eric Swalwell

I scored heat 1 this way:

1 Elizabeth Warren - Q

2 Cory Booker- Q

3 Amy Klobuchar - Q

4 Julián Castro - Q

5 Beto O’Rourke - potential q

6 Bill de Blasio - potential q

7 John Delaney - out

8 Tulsi Gabbard - out

9 Tim Ryan - out

10 Jay Inslee - out

I gave de Blasio credit for successfully interrupting without the moderators cutting him off.

Delaney tried that route with less success.

I think Gabbard gained some notice.

O'Rourke is trying to hang on.

Ryan was sensible and many will like that, but too moderate for this occasion.

Inslee is a causal person on climate change but doesn't address the whole job of president.

Booker got a lot of talking time and will move up.

Castro was pretty fiery and gained some attention.

Klobuchar gave a more warm presence than her image, which was a plus.

Warren looked like the leader and confident in her beliefs and how to get there.

Not a good one in the bunch wrote:

The majority of the country does not hate the president.

But the majority of Americans do disapprove of him.

The % that disapproved of him handling his job has been between 51% and 59% his entire presidency.

That does not include those with no opinion.

Democrats lose again wrote:

Bunch of butt hurt hillary lovers who are united in their hatred of the unborn, Christians, family values, military, police, border security and white people.

Agree

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Not a good one in the bunch wrote:

The majority of the country does not hate the president.

But the majority of Americans do disapprove of him.

The % that disapproved of him handling his job has been between 51% and 59% his entire presidency.

That does not include those with no opinion.

I realize it's all we have, but I'd be really careful to rely to much on polls. Remember where it got us in 2016...

I'm assuming that Biden will be our nominee, and we become completely screwed when the Repubs expose his sordid past.

They should have posted Warren on stage with Bernie and Biden, perhaps a couple of the others with experience and name recognition, on one night. The rest of these clowns should have been seated at the kiddie table on night two.

I'm disturbed by the level of focus on non-meat-and-potatoes issues in my democratic party. I want focus on issues that effect all of us, directly, in the pocket book and at the level of existential anxiety, at the top of the agenda. Healthcare solutions, that's what I want from these people first and foremost. If I never again hear national political focus on LGBTQ and trans issues, and other divisive identity politics dog whistles from these people, it will be too soon.

I was further pained when Colbert pandered the kiddie set last night by hosting AOC, treating her like a GD rock star, throwing nothing but complete softballs her way. Mark my words, the progressives are setting us up for her to run for president in the next couple of cycles. All 29 years of her great wisdom. If that's where this party is headed, I'm out. It'll fit the current SJW narrative anyway, seeing as how I'm a (gasp) white guy.

The hardest thing these Dems will have to run against isn't Trump, it's the economy. A good economy is hard to run against. And if the economy is still good in 14 months, people aren't going to vote for radical change like Warren or Bernie.

Last night, you had a moderator say that 70% of people think the economy is good right now. And Warren's reply is, "No it's not." That's not going to resonate with people.

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hard to vote for wrote:

Libs don't want to hear it, but it will be hard to vote for any of these clowns. I don't like Trump and will not vote for him, but I really can't see going to the polls and voting for any of these jokers either.

+1

I said the same thing about Hillary. She wasn't compelling enough for people to want to really get to the polls and vote for. Same will happen here if a far left candidate gets the nod.

Trump 2020

Except

(1) No one lacks as much charisma as Hillary lacked

(2) The country has experienced and is sick of trump's constant lying

(3) The country hates trump except for the trump crazies.

Not a good one in the bunch wrote:

I'd be really careful to rely to much on polls. Remember where it got us in 2016...

I'm assuming that Biden will be our nominee,

For your point 2, I would see your point 1.

Do not assume Biden will be the nominee based on today's polls.

UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:

The hardest thing these Dems will have to run against isn't Trump, it's the economy. A good economy is hard to run against. And if the economy is still good in 14 months, people aren't going to vote for radical change like Warren or Bernie.

Last night, you had a moderator say that 70% of people think the economy is good right now. And Warren's reply is, "No it's not." That's not going to resonate with people.

Yep. Same doom and gloom BS that Trump used, really. Trump presented some made up world where the US has become a crime-ridden wasteland and major change is needed to restore law and order. The dems are presenting a made up world where the economy is tanking and only they can fix it.

Conundrum wrote:

Except

(1) No one lacks as much charisma as Hillary lacked

(2) The country has experienced and is sick of trump's constant lying

(3) The country hates trump except for the trump crazies.

But Hillary had balloons! BALLOONS!

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Democrats lose again wrote:

Bunch of butt hurt hillary lovers who are united in their hatred of the unborn, Christians, family values, military, police, border security and white people.

Agree

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