Stunning announcement!!
Tulsi Gabbard has dropped out (and endorsed Biden).
Stunning announcement!!
Tulsi Gabbard has dropped out (and endorsed Biden).
Timmy Treadwell wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Would the result have been the same had Pete, Warren, and Klobuchar been allowed to stay in as long as they wanted? Would the result have been the same had Warren not allowed a superPac with $13 mil to run anti-Bernie ads? Would the result have been the same had the DNC kept Bloomberg out of the debates instead of changing the rules to let him in? Would the result have been the same had the DNC delayed the primaries instead of telling people to go to the polls during an epidemic? Would the result have been different had the media called out Biden for consistently lying about his record during the last debate instead of spending all their time talking about how it is impossible for Bernie to win at this point?
This is a really weak post from you, sorry to say. Normally your posts are well thought out and researched. There's no evidence for much of what you write. The DNC doesn't decide if a state wants to delay its primary, for example.
You are truly lost if you believe that state party leaders act independently of the national party.
And you are right. I did miss some facts. The Warren superpac spent $14 mil, not $13 mil. The rest of the post is well documented facts.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/29/elizabeth-warren-super-pac-week-in-patriarchyhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/rule-change-democrats-could-help-bloomberg-n1136081https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tom-perez-dem-party-coronavirushttps://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/16/opinion/bidens-convincing-debate-performance/https://www.newsweek.com/who-won-biden-sanders-democratic-debate-analysis-highlights-11th-democratic-debate-washington-1492434https://www.vox.com/2020/3/11/21174257/biden-sanders-delegate-count-primariesHuge support for Biden from black America, black America has literally saved the country from a Sanders loss in the presidential election.
This could go either way, with the Chinese Virus almost certain to have the Country in lousy economic shape by Election time in November, Trump was doing great with the economy before all this, it is not Trumps fault, but it is on his watch, I still think the VP will play a HUGE ROLE, though very few agree with me, if Biden picks Stacy Abrams that could possibly flip Georgia from Red to Blue and would get Blacks out in great numbers, same with Julian Castro maybe helping to turn Texas from Red to Blue as many Texans would like to see their hometown hero be President if Biden can't make 4 years due to his alleged cognitive problems, or MAYBE Michelle Obama as the wife of the very popular among Democrats former President, that would get a lot of people to the polls. President Trump has a large and loyal following and has done an excellent job, but so many seem to hate him no matter what he does, it seems like other than Fox News all the other stations hate him.
I would like to see Trump Re-elected, but I think Biden would win if it was held today, but a lot can happen in 8 Months.
Take many of your points, but Trump and his administration aren’t blameless.
The lack of foresight and necessary medical supplies has been shameful.
Here we are today and nurses and doctors are been told they can use scarves and bandanas to cover their mouth when treating patients with the virus. That’s negligence.
douglas burke wrote:
I would like to see Trump Re-elected, but I think Biden would win if it was held today, but a lot can happen in 8 Months.
Time is not on Trump's side.
He'd have a better chance if the election was held today then he will in 7 1/2 months.
Every financial and employment number will be worse on Nov 3 than it is today.
His best chance is that if October numbers are better than September numbers he can try to campaign on the idea that it is turning around.
Even in this crisis, he hasn't changed his tone of sniping with the press, which really turns people off to him.
douglas burke wrote:
This could go either way, with the Chinese Virus almost certain to have the Country in lousy economic shape by Election time in November, Trump was doing great with the economy before all this, it is not Trumps fault, but it is on his watch, .
This is 100% Trump's fault. Even the dimwitted clowns who are running Biden's campaign will be able to nail Trump to the wall on his coronavirus response. Trump is on record saying that the virus is a hoax and adopting the Fox News view on the virus. Trump did not want to ramp up testing early on because he did not want high numbers of positives that would hurt his election chances. And now that Trump finally woke up, the response is moving at a snail's pace. Testing is way behind where it should be. Hospitals are short on personal protection devices and a rationing. The number of hospital beds available is completely inadequate. State responses have been spotty, with FL and TX letting spring breakers run loose on the beaches and other states completely in the dark because they waited to start testing until it was way too late (talking about you WV).
The only shot Trump has is to pull an Ed Muskie move on Biden. Muskie was the Biden of his day, the centrist alternative to McGovern's left wing insurgency. Nixon wisely co-opted Dem positions on issues like the environment and negotiating an end to the Vietnam war. Trump is showing signs of being agreeable to generous coronavirus benefits that would stand in contrast to the 2008 bailout/stimulus. And idiot dems like Schumer are actually going to the right of some Republicans in handwringing over deficits and means testing.
But this assumes a competent response to the virus. There is no indication that the federal government under Trump is up to that task.
Harsh Roy,
Nurses and doctors can use scarves and bandanas, like everyone owns at least one of them.
Best supplies ever - DJT.
reer wrote:
You evaded his question. Does Bernie have bad judgment, or does he understand the needs of the people better than you?
Conundrum wrote:
Dunes never did answer that question. He couldn't without looking foolish.
Exactly.
No intelligent person would attempt to answer such a foolish question.
Conundrum wrote:
let me go back to his question to me about Biden recommending to me to support Hitler. No I wouldn't support Hitler and if that event occurred I would assume my judgement is much better than Biden's.
Therefore, you don't respect Joe Biden, and since in spite of that you're supporting him now, you both have bad judgment.
dunes runner wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
let me go back to his question to me about Biden recommending to me to support Hitler. No I wouldn't support Hitler and if that event occurred I would assume my judgement is much better than Biden's.
Therefore, you don't respect Joe Biden, and since in spite of that you're supporting him now, you both have bad judgment.
If Joe Biden asked me to support Hitler, no I would not respect him. Now lets go back to whether you respect Bernie's opinion or not. Do you have better judgement than Bernie?
Conundrum wrote:
dunes runner wrote:
Therefore, you don't respect Joe Biden, and since in spite of that you're supporting him now, you both have bad judgment.
If Joe Biden asked me to support Hitler, no I would not respect him. Now lets go back to whether you respect Bernie's opinion or not. Do you have better judgement than Bernie?
You are not elevating the level of conversation. You are only attempting to corner dunes runner into two not good choices. First, contrary to what CNN & MSNBC personnel state nearly daily, Senator Sanders has not lost. It is as if Senator Sanders is down 17 points at half time. Ninety percent of the time when a football team is down by 17 points at half time, a team does not win. Sometimes teams come back.
What is occurring in U.S. today demonstrates the problems with a mostly private capitalistic health care system. U.S. obviously needs a socialist health care system.One day citizens of U.S., specifically Democrats may wake up. Regarding Biden & Sanders relationship: The men are close in age. The two men served together in U.S. Senator for two years, January, 2007 to January, 2009. The two men think they can work together if one is president and the other is not. If Biden were president, U.S. Corporations and Democrat Machine will have more say than any personal relationship Biden & Sanders share. Look how differently Obama governed as compared to the way Obama campaigned in 2007 & 2008. U.S. Corporation, C.I.A. and admirals & generals had a significant voice in Obama's actions. trump is proving a president can choose to ignore C.I.A., admirals & generals.
Sanders may not see how weak his friend Biden would be. There is a reason why Sanders is running for president against Biden. Sanders cannot believe he and Biden are interchangeable.
dunes runner wrote:
Therefore, you don't respect Joe Biden, and since in spite of that you're supporting him now, you both have bad judgment.
Conundrum wrote:
If Joe Biden asked me to support Hitler, no I would not respect him.
You shouldn't have voted for him then, which showed bad judgement on your part.
You should have voted for Bernie.
Now lets go back to whether you respect Bernie's opinion or not.
For the ga'zillionth time. I voted for Bernie because of his 40 year record of standing up for the working class people, the middle class and the poor, because his positions, speaking up on the issues, and his being at the forefront of the Progressive movement.
I would not vote for someone who I didn't respect, like you did.
Do you have better judgement than Bernie?
In some things I do, from my perspective of course. I do what works for me, and I imagine he does the same thing for himself.
Would you like me to write a book for you?
Original Bernie Bro wrote:
What is occurring in U.S. today demonstrates the problems with a mostly private capitalistic health care system. U.S. obviously needs a socialist health care system.
Explain this one to me, considering the government has severally botched pretty much everything since coronavirus has hit our shores. Why would I want them to have more control over my healthcare? Do you think a lack of insurance is the problem with coronavirus? I'm honestly curious how M4A would help or be better in these circumstances?
Would it help a shortage of tests available? Masks? Ventilators?
My understanding of M4A is that it would somewhat (it's argumentative how much) decrease compensation for medical suppliers and medical providers and pharmaceutical companies. Medicare pays lower rates for most procedures and care, and we've heard a million times on the debate stage that they want to mandate lower prices for drugs.
What does that do in a large economy? It lowers the number and/or size of medical suppliers, providers, and pharmaceutical companies. So, it seems to me that if we had M4A, we'd actually be in worse shape.
And if you're going to argue that M4A wouldn't decrease the number of care providers or suppliers, let me ask a similar question first. If we raised the pay for teachers, would we get more teachers and higher quality teachers? I think the clear answer to that is yes. So, if that is true, the opposite is true if you cut pay for people who provide medical care and supplies.
Original Bernie Bro wrote:
What is occurring in U.S. today demonstrates the problems with a mostly private capitalistic health care system. U.S. obviously needs a socialist health care system.
As Biden pointed out in the last debate, Italy has a single-payer system.
It did not prevent them from having more deaths from Covid-19 than China.
Not Born in the USA wrote:
Original Bernie Bro wrote:
What is occurring in U.S. today demonstrates the problems with a mostly private capitalistic health care system. U.S. obviously needs a socialist health care system.
As Biden pointed out in the last debate, Italy has a single-payer system.
It did not prevent them from having more deaths from Covid-19 than China.
Italy most likely has a g.d.p. of less than 2 trillion. U.S. has a g.d.p. of over 21 trillion. Why did you use Italy as your example? You selected one of the nations in the bottom half of E.U. to make your point which is weak.
Original Bernie Bro wrote:
Not Born in the USA wrote:
As Biden pointed out in the last debate, Italy has a single-payer system.
It did not prevent them from having more deaths from Covid-19 than China.
Italy most likely has a g.d.p. of less than 2 trillion. U.S. has a g.d.p. of over 21 trillion. Why did you use Italy as your example? You selected one of the nations in the bottom half of E.U. to make your point which is weak.
Italy has a population of 60 million, while the USA has a population of 327 million. Why do you compare the GDP of two countries with such different population size? Your argument is very weak.
Not Born in the USA wrote:
Original Bernie Bro wrote:
Italy most likely has a g.d.p. of less than 2 trillion. U.S. has a g.d.p. of over 21 trillion. Why did you use Italy as your example? You selected one of the nations in the bottom half of E.U. to make your point which is weak.
Italy has a population of 60 million, while the USA has a population of 327 million. Why do you compare the GDP of two countries with such different population size? Your argument is very weak.
So you and I agree. Bringing up Italy was silly. Do we both agree not to discuss Italy? Italy and universal healthcare is just a Biden campaign talking point. I am glad that we have agreed to move on. Maybe Austria would be a better nation to discuss? Austria is about the size of Wisconsin and has g.d.p. closer to g.d.p. of U.S. than Italy. Do you want to discuss healthcare in Austria?
L L wrote:
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Time is not on Trump's side.
He'd have a better chance if the election was held today then he will in 7 1/2 months.
Every financial and employment number will be worse on Nov 3 than it is today.
His best chance is that if October numbers are better than September numbers he can try to campaign on the idea that it is turning around.
Even in this crisis, he hasn't changed his tone of sniping with the press, which really turns people off to him.
My take, for whatever that's worth is that the election will be won or lost by Trump based on how quickly Covid-19 is no longer a major fear.... if it happens relatively quickly Trump will win the election... if it's long and drawn out he'll lose. I firmly believe at this point nothing else will matter.
Of course, my answers are not nearly always correct!