Democrat presidential debate official thread

That alternative vote would be good for one round of voting but still come off as confusing.

Rounds of elimination votes makes it much clearer.

You need a final vote with exactly two choices, so the winner is clearly picked by the majority of voters.

My broader proposal brings all parties into the same primary system and eliminates a two party system.

It has a general election of exactly two choices of any or the same party.

T. Paine wrote:

Pretty interesting as well that the "democratic" party isn't interested in democracy if a non establishment candidate wins. 5 out 6 candidates said "follow the process" aka use super delegates to win on the 2nd round rather than the person with the most votes wins.

Yes, that was quite embarrassing.

Thank goodness there's one good candidate who truly represents the people of this country, not the oligarchs.

Bernie can still win with the process without a majority of the delegates in the primaries.

Just make a case for delegates that represent candidates with few votes to vote for him in the second round at the convention.

It's simple. Win a majority of the delegates one way or another.

He wants to be chosen as the nominee while having a minority of the delegates. It doesn't work that way.

He also could have helped himself by registering as a Democrat if he wanted to represent them.

If he gets the nomination, I am voting for him and advocating for him.

But there is a process to get there and he has to follow it.

Like him claiming victory in Iowa with the popular vote while Buttigieg won in more districts and received more delegates.

Follow the rules.

Unless Biden gets a big win in SC, he will have to drop out after Super Tuesday. Ironically, he has lost a lot of donors to Bloomberg. Bloomberg is DOA in the primaries. Warren may eek out a decent showing here and there on Super Tuesday, but it won't be enough to put her high enough on delegate count to justify going all the way to the convention. Klobuchar and Pete will have a plurality of the center after Super Tuesday. The problem is that polling is indicating that Sanders is the number 1 second choice for a lot of the Biden, Warren, Klobuchar and Pete voters. So, the most likely scenario is that as the field narrows, Sanders will benefit and may eventually hit the majority of delegates or be so close that a second vote at the convention would just be a formality.

Pete and Bloomberg will probably stay in it until the convention. Pete has nothing to lose and is trying to gain power at the DNC. Bloomberg is just that dumb. Warren, Biden and Klobuchar will drop eventually absent a huge bump that puts them in position as the main challenger to Bernie. All three understand that there is a limit to how long you can stay in a primary with funds dwindling without looking like a sore loser.

Not that long ago is was Biden/Warren as 1 and 2. (Bernie's heart attack had something to do with that)

It's crazy to think they could both drop after Super Tuesday.

It also means other things could change again in a short period.

Jimmy Carter may join the race.,

Precious Roy wrote:

Pete and Bloomberg will probably stay in it until the convention. Pete has nothing to lose and is trying to gain power at the DNC. Bloomberg is just that dumb. Warren, Biden and Klobuchar will drop eventually absent a huge bump that puts them in position as the main challenger to Bernie. All three understand that there is a limit to how long you can stay in a primary with funds dwindling without looking like a sore loser.

So the question becomes, as people drop out, will they back remaining candidates? If Biden backs someone, that will tip the scales.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Little Mikey can't debate. He's horrible, a deer in the headlights.

He's done.

Bye, bye Little Mikey.

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comedyrelief wrote:

I actually support this idea. I think if you are over 80, you should have to carry your own private cancer supplement, otherwise you should just receive palliative care. People trying everything to live forever is bankrupting health care, making it less affordable for you and I.

Let's see how you feel about that when you are in your late 70s and are still healthy.

We are not supposed to live forever. Where in the constitution are we guaranteed immortality? If modern medicine were to invent a pill that costs $1 million dollars that would extend our lives by 10 years, should the Medicare system be forced to provide that pill even though it would bankrupt the Medicare system for the generation that is currently working and funding the system? Because that is exactly what is happening, only instead of a single pill, it is high dollar drugs and treatments. The older generation is receiving a wealth transfer (far more than they put in to the system during their working careers) from the current generation that is eroding the viability of that system to provide benefits for the current and future generations.

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Bernie can still win with the process without a majority of the delegates in the primaries.

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But there is a process to get there and he has to follow it.

Like him claiming victory in Iowa with the popular vote while Buttigieg won in more districts and received more delegates.

Follow the rules.

Yes, Bernie won the popular vote in Iowa by 6,000 votes.

Had the rules then been followed, he would have been awarded the most delegates.

However, he wasn't, because the rules were not followed, and Buttigieg's campaign played a part in that.

My understanding is that the delegate count is gradually being corrected, with great resistance from the DNC.

What we want is for the rules to be followed.

But cheating and not following the rules is not following the rules. Only following the rules is following the rules.

Precious Roy wrote:

polling is indicating that Sanders is the number 1 second choice for a lot of the Biden, Warren, Klobuchar and Pete voters. So, the most likely scenario is that as the field narrows, Sanders will benefit and may eventually hit the majority of delegates or be so close that a second vote at the convention would just be a formality.

That's an awesome point.

People are going to vote for who they feel is the best candidate who represents them and that's Bernie.

Precious Roy wrote:

The problem is that polling is indicating that Sanders is the number 1 second choice for a lot of the Biden, Warren, Klobuchar and Pete voters. So, the most likely scenario is that as the field narrows, Sanders will benefit and may eventually hit the majority of delegates or be so close that a second vote at the convention would just be a formality.

You may be right (I simply haven't come across any polls talking about 1st vs 2nd choice), but Buttigieg won Iowa because he was the #1 second choice for a ton of people whose first choice candidate didn't hit the viability threshold. He had by far the biggest jump going from first vote to second vote. Just one state, but interesting nonetheless.

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T. Paine wrote:

Pretty interesting as well that the "democratic" party isn't interested in democracy if a non establishment candidate wins. 5 out 6 candidates said "follow the process" aka use super delegates to win on the 2nd round rather than the person with the most votes wins.

Democrat candidates reveal plan to steal nomination

T. Paine wrote:

It was much more common for a back room of party insiders at the convention to choose the nominee back then. They had just started transitioning away from that prior to 1968. It's been 50 years since then. I know I'm not the only one who won't vote if the nomination is stolen like that.

Pretty interesting as well that the "democratic" party isn't interested in democracy if a non establishment candidate wins. 5 out 6 candidates said "follow the process" aka use super delegates to win on the 2nd round rather than the person with the most votes wins.

But They ALL Agree that we should get rid of the Electoral College and go with who wins the popular vote.

With the Electoral College they want to get rid of THE PROCESS.

With the Idea of whoever has the most Delegates going into the Convention wins they don't like THAT, So if no one gets 1991 Delegates, instead of going to the one with the most Delegates, it should be determined by a small group who can vote for whoever they want, even if that person, did not even run for President this time, Technically they could pick Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic Nominee (I heard that on the TV, I don't know if its true or not)

L L wrote:

That alternative vote would be good for one round of voting but still come off as confusing.

Rounds of elimination votes makes it much clearer.

Instant runoff does proceed through rounds. The only drawback is you have to order all your choices before the first round is counted, so it's harder to vote strategically in later rounds.

Bernie addressing supporters in Santa Ana, California today

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It is official. The news networks are stating Russia is helping trump. Russia is attempting to meddle in Sanders' Campaign. Russia meddled with Sanders' Campaign, 2016. I always thought I was the toughest writing and toughest talking Bernie Bro. I do not swear. I do not use ugly degrading words to anyone. I always wondered who were these so-called Bernie Bros on-line using ugly words. They are either Russians, Russian agents, Russian friendlies or Russian bots. See the news.

Early indications are that Nevada looks to be a rout. Entrance polls show a heavy preference for the Vermont Senator. Hopefully no DNC shenanigans will change that.

Feel the Bern!!! Better days are ahead, America!

It was always projected to be a "rout", so no surprise there. At the end of the day, if 70% of the Democratic voters voted against you, is that really something Bernie and his followers should feel good about? Congrats on the majority of people being against you.