Will Kelsey Chmiel be disqualifed from the NYS Championships?

why would they do that

presumably so the other girls would finish 1-2 and qualify for state championship, although I think only the first place girl met the standard - perhaps others have better information? The second place girl was also from Saratoga Springs (as is Chmiel and the other girl who slowed down)

This is why other sports think track is a joke

fastTuohy wrote:

presumably so the other girls would finish 1-2 and qualify for state championship, although I think only the first place girl met the standard - perhaps others have better information? The second place girl was also from Saratoga Springs (as is Chmiel and the other girl who slowed down)

Couldn't the leading girls just take 1 and 2 then decline their spots at the championship and pass the spot along to the 3-4 finishers?

Here's the video:

https://ny.milesplit.com/videos/389909

around the 9 minute mark the dog was asked what to do and didnt know so they asked the coach..what the hell is a dog doing on the infield of a track meet?

runnerexpert wrote:

around the 9 minute mark the dog was asked what to do and didnt know so they asked the coach..what the hell is a dog doing on the infield of a track meet?

The coaches send the dog when the team goes on distance runs. They bring him to meets to inspire the team . This meet was held at Shen, which is Saratoga’s biggest rival, so he can pee and poop on their AstroTurf field.

fastTuohy wrote:

presumably so the other girls would finish 1-2 and qualify for state championship, although I think only the first place girl met the standard - perhaps others have better information? The second place girl was also from Saratoga Springs (as is Chmiel and the other girl who slowed down)

For the first time this year, NY State is using an additional qualifying method for competing at the State Meet known as the "Super Standards". Both Kelsey Chmiel and Ella Kurto had already achieved the Super Standard mark of 9:48.24 for the D1 Girls (Large Schools) at 3000 meters so they had already qualified for the State Meet if they simply ran the event at the Section 2 qualifying meet (they could have finished last and next-to-last in the race and still have qualified). Their actions gave other girls the opportunity to qualify for the State Meet. The winner of the race automatically qualifies and the 2nd-place finisher qualifies if meeting the normal State qualifying standard.

Why are they asking mid race? This should have been figured out ahead of time. It's like a qualifying heat where you need to finish top 4. Run along in 3rd or 4th.

Dumb dumber wrote:

Why are they asking mid race? This should have been figured out ahead of time. It's like a qualifying heat where you need to finish top 4. Run along in 3rd or 4th.

Or better yet, the person that was 4th (eventually 2nd) was their teammate; instead of gapping her the entire race, why weren't they put out there to pace her to a new PR? Dumb!

from what I can see the 2 leaders did a good job in running the qualifying standard pace apparently trying to help the other two girls along. Their teammate unfortunately could not quite hold that pace. Perhaps the question arose when they saw it was not their teammate who was in third, and their teammate was too far back to hit the standard?

This is a coach issue.

The coach should be censured for putting the kids in that spot.

The profit wrote:

runnerexpert wrote:

around the 9 minute mark the dog was asked what to do and didnt know so they asked the coach..what the hell is a dog doing on the infield of a track meet?

The coaches send the dog when the team goes on distance runs. They bring him to meets to inspire the team . This meet was held at Shen, which is Saratoga’s biggest rival, so he can pee and poop on their AstroTurf field.

they needed a pit bull at that Wisconsin meet to get the DQ'd runner off the track so the meet could get back on schedule

Dumb dumber wrote:

Why are they asking mid race? This should have been figured out ahead of time. It's like a qualifying heat where you need to finish top 4. Run along in 3rd or 4th.

yep, you work out the plan in advance, you work out the splits in advance and you work out how to pace in advance...looks very amateurish for an accomplished Saratoga team with a very accomplished runner

Post race interview - apparently the 3 Saratoga girls all qualified?

https://ny.milesplit.com/videos/390648

I was there and never saw 2 kids STOP 50 yards from finish and then run: just my opinion but I think it was chemiel saying F U to the shen parents there . Real lack of class .

With the new super standard - I think kids are being put in position by adults and other kids to jog races so other kids can qualify. I coach in another section and kids asked our relay if we were jogging because we had the super standard - when we said no we needed to get a better seed time, they were mad we weren’t just jogging and letting them in the meet. It’s very weird situation.

Stillwater sprintz wrote:

I was there and never saw 2 kids STOP 50 yards from finish and then run: just my opinion but I think it was chemiel saying F U to the shen parents there . Real lack of class .

You were "there" but you must have been on the toilet at the time dropping the kids off at the pool.

Stillwater sprintz wrote:

I was there and never saw 2 kids STOP 50 yards from finish and then run: just my opinion but I think it was chemiel saying F U to the shen parents there . Real lack of class .

This is the dumbest comment I've ever seen.

The plan for the Toga girls was to go 1-2-3, with Kelsey and Ella pacing Wheeler. Wheeler wins, Ella/Kelsey go 2-3 and they all go. Worst comes to worst, they pace her to the state at large standard and they go 2-3-4 in the same order with Faith winning.

Kelsey and Ella ran the state standard pace, like planned, and Wheeler started fading. They continued to run the pace that she needed to run, and once they realized that Faith was going to win and their teammate was not going to hit the mark, they decided the only chance she had of going was to still let her get second.

Kelsey asked her coach on the backstretch what to do. He said "just go finish", in sort of a defeated tone. Kelsey immediate started asking if they could let their teammate get second because it didn't really matter what they finished, and that was her only shot. Her coach quickly agreed and said "that's fine, do what you think you need to do." So they slowed down and let Wheeler go by.

Kelsey's hunch was correct, as Faith did not declare for the 3km because she had the Super Standard in the steeple the next day and was going to run that. So once Faith didn't declare, Wheeler was the next finisher and was invited to the state meet.

So all in all, the Toga girls and coaches had the right plan in mind, and eventually did the right thing to maximize their chances of going to the state meet. And it worked out fine.

The real problem is that even those with the Super Standard need to run the race. The rule should be written so those with the Super Standard just have to participate in the meet (the meet already has standards, so you can't enter Kelsey in the shot put, it would still have to be in a race she has qualified for the meet in). If you participate at the meet, you can declare for any event in which you qualify, including any race you had the Super Standard. That's how it should be laid out.

In this instance, both Chmiel and Kurto ran the 4x8 the next day, and that should allow them to declare for the 3km as well because of their Super Standard marks.

Stuff like this happened in the boys 800m, 3200m, 3km steeple, PV; girls 800m, 3km, 2km steeple just at the Section 2 meet alone (and maybe others I didn't hear about). Poor wording and poor foresight ruined the meet for many kids. The officials threw a hissy fit, but didn't they understand that the way the rule was written that the kids were going to try to help each other out and get as many of their local competitors, teammates, and friends to the meet as possible?