Barry Bonds.....please give me a break!

There is no doubt that Barry is better, however both are hall of fame players and are/were valuable to their teams. the original posting was not comparing the 2 players numbers, rather than comparing their attitudes, work ethics, role modeling, etc.

You take Barry and his juice (roids)and his personal La-Z-Boy recliner he has in the clubhouse/dugout, and I will take Cal anyday. Something is wrong when no one on your own team likes you.

Mike, you say Barry playing in a 100 games is more valuable than Ripken playing in 162. He is that much better of a hitter. You know nothing about baseball. First of all, Ripken played the most demanding position in the field, excpet for maybe, the catcher. He was one of the best shortstops defensively to ever play. He was also the biggest shortstop to ever play which took more of a toll on his body than someone like the Wizard, Ozzie Smith. Ripken was a leader on and off the field. Bonds is niether. Ripken represented his family, team, the game and the city of Baltimore with the upmost class whereas Bonds represents no one but himself and he does so with absolutely no class at all. If you look at the offensive numbers, careerwise Bonds and Ripkens batting avg's are pretty close. Sure homerun wise Bonds has hit a ton. I'm not arguing that, but to say his 100 games are more valuable than Ripken's 162 is ludicrous. Besides, Bonds didn't become a super homerun hitter until a few years ago when he really got involved with some serious performance ehancing drugs (i.e. growth hormones, IGF-1, plus quite a few different steroids, cypionate, sustanon-250, propionate, deca-durabolin, D-Bol, and there are others but I'm sure you get the picture), and this comes from someone who knows.

Plus Ripken produced in the playoffs when it counted. Bonds has done absolutely nothing in the playoffs except for CHOKE, and that includes his day with both the Pirates and the Giants.

Bonds whether you like him or no was the greatest baseball player of the last quater century. hands down. if you want to say ripken is a classy guy, better promoter of the sport, saved baseball after the strike...i can not disagree, but dont compare ripken to barry bonds its not fair or even an arguement.

yes these guys get bad tremendous, basically too much, money to wake up everyday and play a game they love and excell at it. this does call for some days rest during the year and if bonds takes off 7-8 games in a 162 game season i have no problem with that cause the other 155 he is given everything he has to win whether his teamates, fans, like him or not.

Bottom Line to all haters if you think this is bullshit about the money the players make or taking a day off simple solution: go out and take their job...the critic is never the man in the midst of the battle..all the time you hear oh that guy sucks, he is batting like .230 or something, guess what he is batting .230 in the major leagues if your so much better go take his job and stop complaining. that same guy batting .230 in the majors would be batting .830 in any local mens and pony leagues from whatever area your from so stop the hate, its just like criticizing a guy who runs sub 4 and saying oh he is a bum or he isnt running up to his potential welll guess what he is running faster than you so find something else to bitch and complain about and maybe thats the reason why you have to work 12 hour days in the sun cause you never put in the work to get to the next level but somehow your the first one to criticize someone who does make it. mad haters

You don't have any inside information about what Barry Bonds is or isn't taking. Give me a break. That is the height of desperation to claim something like that. Find a hobby, go volunteer and make someone's life better if you need to feel good about yourself. No need to make up crap.

Knower,

Go find a picture of Barry 4 years ago. Then post it beside his most recent picture at age 38 (and again, I repeat 38). Notice a diffrence? Case Closed!

To Knower,

this is fact Jack, not made up. If it disturbs you to hear this then I'm sorry. The fact is that virtually all of Major Leaguers are on some sore of illegal performance enhancing drug. I know because I'm a former major league ball player myself. I've been there and seen it all. Jose Canseco and Ken Caminiti are telling the truth about in their reports to the media. Since there has never been any steroid testing in Major League Baseball, drug use is rampant from the big names to the names you've never heard of. That's a FACT!!!!!!!

Sam18,

I never said that Barry wasn't using. I also never said that to even the casual observer that it doesn't appear that Barry is using.

All I said is that Mr. veryinsideinformation doesn't have that inside information. He has an opnion like the rest of us, but he has no inside information, he wasn't a Major League baseball player, and even if he were (which there is no freakin' way that he was) that wouldn't necessarily mean that he would have that kind of information. If Barry's using (and I'm not saying he isn't) then how many people do you think he'd let know? Certainly not this veryinsideinformation guy.

Read my comments to Sam18 and you'll know what I think of your inside information.

I'll entertain you just this last time and then that's it for me with you, because I would be a fool to continue talking to a fraud.

Many times when someone does something either they shouldn't or something they should feel ashamed of, they comfort themselves in the cloak of "everyone else is doing it." Just because Canseco and Caminiti (two role models if I've ever seen them) say that everyone else is doing it doesn't make it true.

Find something else to be an expert on, because baseball and 'roid use isn't it.

Virtually everyone on the Orioles hated Cal too. He was just as much a self centered, domineering, bully as Bonds is....only hes a pearly toothed white guy and was better at playing the media, hence the nice guy image.

And anyone who thinks Bonds isn't using is as dumb as a post.

[quote]ru4real wrote:

Was this an attempt to prove how little you know about baseball? If it was excellent post.

Thanks for the compliment. I actually do know very little about baseball. If I did know a lot about baseball, I'd probably be posting on a baseball site instead of a running site. I go to a few games a year (I get the tickets for free from my company) and I find it entertaining, though I'd rather watch the Stanford Invite any time. I was just making an observation that if a Barry Double were to take his place for 2 or 3 innings (or about $30,000 worth of salary), chances are nobody would notice. I'm not saying that he's not a very talented hitter, just that during a 3 hour game he spends about 2 hours and 45 minutes doing nothing.

Also, to the person who signed his post "ass clown" (or were you calling me an ass clown?), that's a funny name, mind if I use it? Though I prefer to make it one word.

Assclown

mashed taters,

I'll agree with that last comment of yours about Barry, but anyone who believes that VeryInsideInfo has any inside information about it is also dumb as a post. Not saying that you think he does.

Barry double - No need to defend yourself there. Your post was funny regardless of its 100% accuracy. That dude needs to lighten up.

is who is a better baseball player, Webb or Ritz?

danny fugaz wrote:

Bonds whether you like him or no was the greatest baseball player of the last quater century. hands down. if you want to say ripken is a classy guy, better promoter of the sport, saved baseball after the strike...i can not disagree, but dont compare ripken to barry bonds its not fair or even an arguement.

You must have me mixed up with someone else. I agree with you.

Even with all the juicing Barry has done the last three seasons, he has the arm of a third grade girl - and will always be remembered as a choker. His arm blew the playoffs for the Pirates, and his hitting in pressure situations throughout his entire career speaks for itself. In a soft whisper.

When it's all on the line, Barry is out to lunch.

VeryInsideInfo, give me proof that Cal was one of the best defensive shortstops ever. And you can't use Gold Gloves, those mean nothing.

In any case, I know a fair amount about baseball (probably more than I do about running), and was exaggerating with the 100 vs. 162 thing. My point was that EVEN though Cal adds a ton of value to any team by being a good (at times great) hitting shortstop, Barry is the best hitter of the last 25 years (before and after he got huge), and played a magnificent left-field until recently, when age has caught up to him.

Ted Williams never hit well in the postseason either. No one in the media liked him either. Most people thought he was a prima donna. And you know what? I'd still rather be Ted Williams then Cal Ripken. In his pre-popsicle days of course.

I also don't give postseason stats much creedence. Too short of a period of time. Not a fair sample. Remember in the 70s when Gene Tenace of the A's hit 4 home runs during the series and became the series MVP? Yes, the amazing Gene Tenace. He couldn't carry Barry's (add your own word here).

I won't give postseason stats any creedence when those greedy money grubbing players strike.

Presto,

Believe me when I say I'm not shedding a tear for the players because they make so much money that really it ought not be an issue,

BUT...

This time around, what the owners are trying to do is to take away things from the players that they have been granted in previous settlements. What the players need and don't have this time is a representative to clearly do the PR thing for them. Unfortunately, A-Rod's 25 million a year contract is what many focus on. The position of the players union is that if things would stay the same (with the owners not giving or taking away anything that the players currently have) then they would not strike.

Both sides should be willing to give up something though, and if they strike I might not go back to the games (the big 1 or 2 I see every year in person), but it would not be because of the players. It would be because of both sides and because I can't be assured that it won't happen again. Baseball fans live on stats, and shortened seasons ruin stats.

In 1994 when they struck, two huge things were going on. Tony Gwynn was batting .394, and Matt Williams then of the Giants had 43 home runs and was still on pace to break the then season record of 61. That season perhaps cost Matt Williams a shot at the Hall of Fame. Had he hit 60 or more homeruns then and then gotten his career totals to over 400 (he still has a chance for more than 400 home runs, but without the extra added 60 homers plus in one season, I don't think he'll get in) he would probably be a lock, especially since he plays a very good defensive third base.

Those strikes suck.