This in now getting out of hand, after 2.01.39 was run in Berlin and now an extra two faster times than the old WR in London (a slower course then Berlin) after an upgraded model of the 4% (Next%) were launched shows that theses shoes are against IAAF regulations. Nike shouldn’t be allowed to pay their way out of this one; the evidence is against their favour. You’d have to be stupid not to recognise this.
Replace the Chinese vests on this clip with Vaporflys and this is the current level of absurdity we are witnessing.
No one cares though - even the big boys of this site were clearly just sucking down hard on the kool-aid on the London thread, salivating at the prospect of 3 guys in the luminous green on course for 2:02:30 at one point. No one's thinking this looks as stupid and as bad for the sport as these Chinese women in the clip above so I guess just suck up the kool-aid like everyone else.
Callum Hawkins?
I love this guy.
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He’s slow and he’s obsessive. Like a child molester (his dad and uncle).
This is the new world. We will be roller skating the marathon soon. The young millennial idiots like to call it innovations!
Out of hand! wrote:
This in now getting out of hand, after 2.01.39 was run in Berlin and now an extra two faster times than the old WR in London (a slower course then Berlin) after an upgraded model of the 4% (Next%) were launched shows that theses shoes are against IAAF regulations. Nike shouldn’t be allowed to pay their way out of this one; the evidence is against their favour. You’d have to be stupid not to recognise this.
No, you'd be stupid to not get a pair.
He so stoopoopod and slow wrote:
I love this guy.
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He’s slow and he’s obsessive. Like a child molester (his dad and uncle).
And I love you too buddy!
Every time I see a comment like this I just laugh hard imaging the flabby hobbyjogger literally soooooo slow he needs to defend his new Vaporfly'd sub 20 5k!
Keep it up chubster...
I love how the ad print for the NEXT% makes it seem like my Vaporfly 4% is trash. Well, the Vaporfly 4% holds the World Record, not the NEXT%.
keeping my 4% wrote:
I love how the ad print for the NEXT% makes it seem like my Vaporfly 4% is trash. Well, the Vaporfly 4% holds the World Record, not the NEXT%.
Actually, what EK set the WR in are the same last and outsole of the next%...just a flyknit upper instead of the vaporweave.
Out of hand! wrote:
This in now getting out of hand, after 2.01.39 was run in Berlin and now an extra two faster times than the old WR in London (a slower course then Berlin) after an upgraded model of the 4% (Next%) were launched shows that theses shoes are against IAAF regulations. Nike shouldn’t be allowed to pay their way out of this one; the evidence is against their favour. You’d have to be stupid not to recognise this.
Calm down, get your meds bro, you are gonna hurt yourself!
Re-watching the coverage now.
The top four aren't running. They're bouncing. It's like they're on a trampoline. You've got to be kidding me.
I wonder if they wanted to ban spikes or road flats when they first came out? Who cares what shoe you run in?
I wonder if they’ll make a spike version for the track!?!
You are just mad you missed out on them when they were released. Sorry chief, better luck next% time.
Shoes like this have been banned before!
It’s fuc*** how Nike can buy their way out!
What a joke; sudden improvements don’t happen so quickly especially on the world Elite stage! Very similar to those suits banned in Swimming!
Moo Goo wrote:
This is the new world. We will be roller skating the marathon soon. The young millennial idiots like to call it innovations!
Pogo Sticks.
This literally sumarizes the cheater fly's - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1MRvqk2pU - it will make you chuckle like me
Why tf some people still believe the Vaporfly makes athletes run even 1 second faster?? Kipchoge ran a tactical 2:03:05 without Vapoflys in London before, a chubby Bekele produced a 2:03:03 in Berlin also without any marketing stunt on his feet, Keitany's second half in NYC last year was ran in some old adidas shoes etc. Probably the creators of such threads are a) either hired by nike to keep people stupid or b) brainless idiots who don't follow the sport enough.
Mate! wrote:
Shoes like this have been banned before!
It’s fuc*** how Nike can buy their way out!
What a joke; sudden improvements don’t happen so quickly especially on the world Elite stage! Very similar to those suits banned in Swimming!
I posted this on another thread last night:-
Kipchoge's 2:01:39 represents the biggest leap in the Marathon World Record since 1965.
So is it the shoes? Is it drugs? Some claim "training advances" but I would call b*lls*t on that. Any gains nowadays would surely be marginal, not propel the biggest drop in a record time in over 50 years!
idiots everywhere wrote:
Why tf some people still believe the Vaporfly makes athletes run even 1 second faster?? Do you know what economy is dummy? Kipchoge ran a tactical 2:03:05 without Vapoflys in London before, a chubby Bekele (hold on a sec chubby bekele; fu** off di**head haha you’re a fool) produced a 2:03:03 in Berlin also without any marketing stunt on his feet, Keitany's second half in NYC last year was ran in some old adidas shoes etc. (She’s a mega talent) Probably the creators of such threads are a) either hired by nike to keep people stupid or b) brainless idiots who don't follow the sport enough.
Right matey good imagination! Haha fool
The shoe is literally called the Next% to symbolise an improvement on the 4%.
That percentage in an improvement on running economy. Running economy has said to be a better performance indicator than Vo2max especially over a marathon.
Let me not have to explain why running economy is so important; look it up drongo or use your mind. Race pace>Oxygen>less time for race. (Quicker times for a given effort). BTW dic*hea* Bekele is the GOAT and has much more talent then Kipchoge but has struggled with injury. So saying that he ran 2.03 without Vaporflys does nothing; imagine what he’d have run with them! The 2.03 Kipchoge ran wasn’t tactical, if so you could say Bekele’s 2.03 with Kipsang was ‘tactical’. I’m not saying Kipchoge isn’t a HUGE TALENT HE IS AND SO IS BEKELE. However, now others are running quicker as well with the Vaporflys.
Bekele, Kipchoge and Kipsang are mega talents capable of running 2.03’s without the shoes. To see others running times like these regularly with the shoes and no one else near without is crazy. #stoplettingnikepaytheirwayout!
Vaporfly Asterisk wrote:
https://youtu.be/c6UDXW8UckgReplace the Chinese vests on this clip with Vaporflys and this is the current level of absurdity we are witnessing.
No one cares though - even the big boys of this site were clearly just sucking down hard on the kool-aid on the London thread, salivating at the prospect of 3 guys in the luminous green on course for 2:02:30 at one point. No one's thinking this looks as stupid and as bad for the sport as these Chinese women in the clip above so I guess just suck up the kool-aid like everyone else.
Callum Hawkins?
This is quite an interesting visualization because there was a thread on here a few weeks ago debating whether running in these Nike shoes was the equivalent of cheating with EPO. When you compare the end of this race to the end of yesterday's marathon then you do have to wonder.
Did 1993's Sonia O'Sullivan have as much chance of winning that race as 2019's Callum Hawkin did yesterday without the Nike "supplements"?
The Nike Next% shoes are mostly irrelevant except over longer distance races. Over a 5k or 10K you're better wearing leaner shoes - you don't need that much cushioning. But that's where the shoes excel: providing a large amount if cushioning for marathoners, while also still being able to run fast in them. In fact, the benefit of the VF series doesn't really emerge until you're running at least low 6 minutes per mile.
Not that different from pro cyclists, who can ride really any pro-setup race bike and win, regardless of the specific components installed on the bike. Pro cyclists teams regularly change bike brands used as the high end bike makers jockey and lobby to get their bikes chosen through sweetheart deals.
Kipchoge would run just as fast in Adidas.