Eaglemariah wrote:
Why omit the sprints and throws?
Subway Surfers wrote:
Everyone knew about Caster, Wambui yes but Niyonsaba was a ? But now we know for sure that the women's 800m is a complete joke. If the IAAF loses the only fair thing to do is legalize doping for w400m-1500m.
What intersex athletes are in these events, I want names?
jeff tallon wrote:
i think you mean margaret wambui.her gender has been questioned,as has dorcas ajok(uganda),quincy malekeni,kabange mupopo, and rachael nachula(all zambian 400 meter runners),maria mutola,and a girl from niger named aminatou seyni who has literally come from nowhere in the 400 meters.id never heard of anyone from niger being world class,before.i think there were questions about julia sakara of zimbabwe in the 90s,and also pamela jelimo of kenya.i know kabange mupopo got busted for having too much testosterone,and is serving a drug ban,but she insists she has hyperandrogenism.some people also questioned hima das of india,especially as she came from nowhere last year.
Pamela Jelimo is a woman. Maybe not your idea of attractive, but she’s had the usual kind of drama with men.
http://nairobiwire.com/2018/02/jelimo-made-investments-behind-back-refused-children-athletes-ex-hubby-tells.htmlSo Caster can run the 200 if she wants?
Subway Surfers wrote:
Eaglemariah wrote:
Why omit the sprints and throws?
What intersex athletes are in these events, I want names?
Piffle wrote:
It’s also known on many other mammals, can be a result of consanguity.
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That's a nice way of saying incest.
El Keniano wrote:
jeff tallon wrote:
i think you mean margaret wambui.her gender has been questioned,as has dorcas ajok(uganda),quincy malekeni,kabange mupopo, and rachael nachula(all zambian 400 meter runners),maria mutola,and a girl from niger named aminatou seyni who has literally come from nowhere in the 400 meters.id never heard of anyone from niger being world class,before.i think there were questions about julia sakara of zimbabwe in the 90s,and also pamela jelimo of kenya.i know kabange mupopo got busted for having too much testosterone,and is serving a drug ban,but she insists she has hyperandrogenism.some people also questioned hima das of india,especially as she came from nowhere last year.
Pamela Jelimo is a woman. Maybe not your idea of attractive, but she’s had the usual kind of drama with men.
What does the fact that she had drama with a man prove she is XX? I'd be surprised if she herself wasn't xy. I had an argument with someone on here about her a few years ago. They said she had given birth. I claimed she had not.
rojo wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Pamela Jelimo is a woman. Maybe not your idea of attractive, but she’s had the usual kind of drama with men.
Whatdoes the fact that she had drama with a man prove she is XX? I'd be surprised if she herself wasn't xy. I had an argument with someone on here about her a few years ago. They said she had given birth. I claimed she had not.
You mean "How", and not "what" I think. She herself is from the department of redundancy department.
Ivy must be poison for you-yo.
Be a real Dude wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
She is short, has narrow shoulders and broad hips, skinny arms and big legs. Nobody in their right mind who saw her on the street would think "that's a dude."
Are you joking?
I’m a woman, and I have no difficulty in seeing that Niyonsaba is a man physically. Looks like any typical short broad shouldered and muscular young guy. Doesn’t look female at all. I’ve never seen a woman who looked like that. Certainly doesn’t look like an elite female athlete, even the drugged up East German athletes still looked more female.
I’ve been saying Niyonsaba was in the same category as Semenya and Wanbui all along.
I find it really surprising that men can’t tell whether someone is male or female when the appearance of a male is so obvious. Do you have that problem a lot? What are you trying to project here, because you must be joking.
No idea why this is even a discussion.
The Fancy Bears leak had her TUE for a drug that reduced testosterone during the previous period when these guys had to have their T reduced to compete with the women. Thought that kinda confirmed that Niyonsaba had a touch of the Semenyas.
DIII Recruit wrote:
totorious wrote:
Au contraire - "admits" would imply that she is guilty of something.
Only those with XY chromosomes have testosterone, so he was cheating by running in the women's category.
I am a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (DNP), so I see these cases all the time.
Why brag that you are a fake doctor?
Unreal wrote:
rojo wrote:
Whatdoes the fact that she had drama with a man prove she is XX? I'd be surprised if she herself wasn't xy. I had an argument with someone on here about her a few years ago. They said she had given birth. I claimed she had not.
You mean "How", and not "what" I think. She herself is from the department of redundancy department.
Ivy must be poison for you-yo.
+1??
Rojo the Botswanan in the w400m final in Rio or London was intersex. That is why the IAAF put in the "400m" caveat. This person has since joined the national women's football team.
rojo wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Pamela Jelimo is a woman. Maybe not your idea of attractive, but she’s had the usual kind of drama with men.
What does the fact that she had drama with a man prove she is XX? I'd be surprised if she herself wasn't xy. I had an argument with someone on here about her a few years ago. They said she had given birth. I claimed she had not.
Seriously, on what basis? Because you don’t like how she looks and sounds? I remember hearing she had a daughter as well, but can’t find proof online. But even listening to her speak in this video, it would be a leap to prepare her to Semenya.
Her problems were well documented in the Kenyan tabloids. Interestingly, one guy in this video, speaking Swahili unfortunately, says vultures circled after her million-dollar payday and next he knew she’d fired her Kenyan coach and taken up with some foreign “mzungu” (white guy) which was the end for her. This, by the way, happens more than you think.
https://youtu.be/RPw6Sooe3B4^ *Would be a leap to COMPARE her to Semenya. ? #hateautocorrect
kjlkl wrote:
I have higher testosterone than Niyonsaba yet I can't beat her in an 800m race. Is testosterone really that important?
Probably not - the 800 is far more aerobic than anaerobic.
kjlkl wrote:
I have higher testosterone than Niyonsaba yet I can't beat her in an 800m race. Is testosterone really that important?
Yes. Testosterone is that important. It's hard to prove clinically because racing is a major route out of poverty for East Africans who would potentially lose their eligibility if they were found to have DSDs.
On the non-clinical level, however, it's obvious to me that significantly higher T-levels can convey a significant competitive advantage, although not necessarily the same way for every DSD person.
In Semenya's case, it's physically visible. She's tall, broad shouldered, narrow hipped, and has more musculature than her competitors. But there's more. Higher testosterone also conveys the ability to recover faster so these athletes can train harder.
The IAAF testosterone standard, which is about 5 times higher than for non-DSD women, seems reasonable. If this isn't addressed now, countries like China will start testing for DSDs at pre-school level and put these kids into Olympic training programs. In 15 years, non-DSD women will be lucky to make the finals.
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