Francine Niyonsaba admits to high testosterone.

In my view, a testosterone limit that is universally applied within each gender is non-discriminatory because it has a legitimate basis in that natural testosterone levels of, say, ten times normal confer a substantial advantage over female competitors, such that it would be rare that high testosterone athletes would be beaten by low testosterone athletes, just as synthetic T does so, and because high testosterone was already subject to bans.

Female sports have had athletes like this since their inception.

joedirt wrote:

Female sports have had athletes like this since their inception.

Correct.

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zxcvzcxv wrote:

In my view, a testosterone limit that is universally applied within each gender is non-discriminatory because it has a legitimate basis in that natural testosterone levels of, say, ten times normal confer a substantial advantage over female competitors, such that it would be rare that high testosterone athletes would be beaten by low testosterone athletes, just as synthetic T does so, and because high testosterone was already subject to bans.

Synthetic T is not banned just because of high T, it's banned because it's an unnatural way of gaining high T. If you naturally produce high levels of testosterone, then you are simply a genetically gifted athlete. That's the way it is, that's the way it's always been. Should we ban people over 7 feet from competing in the NBA? No, it's just a genetic gift that allows them to have improved physical abilities over their competitors. Should we ban Usain Bolt because he has better fast-twitch muscle fibers than any athlete in human history? No, because it's a natural, genetic gift. The same goes for high T athletes, both male and female.

Semenaya and Niyonsaba are both males who were born with vaginas.

Intersex/ambiguous genitalia occur in .5 - ~1.5% of all births.

gahagand wrote:

Synthetic T is not banned just because of high T, it's banned because it's an unnatural way of gaining high T. If you naturally produce high levels of testosterone, then you are simply a genetically gifted athlete. That's the way it is, that's the way it's always been. Should we ban people over 7 feet from competing in the NBA? No, it's just a genetic gift that allows them to have improved physical abilities over their competitors. Should we ban Usain Bolt because he has better fast-twitch muscle fibers than any athlete in human history? No, because it's a natural, genetic gift. The same goes for high T athletes, both male and female.

Bad analogies. If there was a special under-seven-foot-only basketball league, then the individual in your example should absolutely not be able to play in that league. Similarly, if there was a special slow-twitch-only sprint category of competition, then certainly UB wouldn't be eligible to compete in it.

Correction, that should be .05 to ~.15%

Angry Willy wrote:

Semenaya and Niyonsaba are both males who were born with vaginas.

Intersex/ambiguous genitalia occur in .5 - ~1.5% of all births.

I have higher testosterone than Niyonsaba yet I can't beat her in an 800m race. Is testosterone really that important?

D3 Girl Runner wrote:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/olympic-silver-medallist-also-has-testosterone-condition-1.4383568

And literally no one is surprised.

Melissa Bishop was robbed of gold.

Have you seen Melissa’s abs? She might not have a lot of natural testosterone , but artificial? definitely!

kjlkl wrote:

I have higher testosterone than Niyonsaba yet I can't beat her in an 800m race. Is testosterone really that important?

Yeah, testosterone doesn't matter(you're probably a low t soy boy).

Correct - the division/category is by male/female. Both of these people are males who were born with external female genitalia. Niyonsaba is from Bururndi, where they hack up albino kids and grind up their body parts for making charms and casting spells. South Africa is really no better and has a thriving witch doctor industry. This says a lot about the state of medicine in both of these countries. Penis = boy, vagina = girl, if the children even see a doctor after birth.

I googled pics of Francine Niyonsaba... Always in loose run shorts while the competition is rocking short tights ... Must be lots of junk flying around there

kjlkl wrote:

I have higher testosterone than Niyonsaba yet I can't beat her in an 800m race. Is testosterone really that important?

Yes, idiot.

same here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-4733220/Dafne-Schippers-Acne-doesn-t-mean-dope.html

D3 Girl Runner wrote:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/olympic-silver-medallist-also-has-testosterone-condition-1.4383568

And literally no one is surprised.

Melissa Bishop was robbed of gold.

Hi RoJo!!

Where have we got to as regards this summer track season given all the delays? and the six month backdating rule? Is the backdating clock already running? Hard to follow. Seems to me everyone can run this summer, at this point.

Literally nowhere in that statement does she say she has XY chromosomes. The fact that she has high testosterone doesn't mean her condition is the same as that of Caster Semenya. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Am I missing something?