Shoebacca wrote:
Glad we all agree Salazar is a cheating idiot.
I know he is dirty but .... Does USADA agree?
Shoebacca wrote:
Glad we all agree Salazar is a cheating idiot.
I know he is dirty but .... Does USADA agree?
Shoebacca wrote:
Glad we all agree Salazar is a cheating idiot.
He may be cheating but he is certainly not an idiot.
peekay wrote:
He may be cheating but he is certainly not an idiot.
Um... IF one is intentionally cheating, they are an idiot. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Also, if using the metric outlined in this thread's premiss (injuries to multiple elite athletes at the same time means coach is an idiot)... Salazar is an idiot (using that premiss). That said, the premiss behind this thread is equally idiotic.
Whew...
ghost_coach wrote:
peekay wrote:
He may be cheating but he is certainly not an idiot.
Um... IF one is intentionally cheating, they are an idiot. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Also, if using the metric outlined in this thread's premiss (injuries to multiple elite athletes at the same time means coach is an idiot)... Salazar is an idiot (using that premiss). That said, the premiss behind this thread is equally idiotic.
Whew...
0/10
ghost_coach wrote:
peekay wrote:
He may be cheating but he is certainly not an idiot.
Um... IF one is intentionally cheating, they are an idiot. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Also, if using the metric outlined in this thread's premiss (injuries to multiple elite athletes at the same time means coach is an idiot)... Salazar is an idiot (using that premiss). That said, the premiss behind this thread is equally idiotic.
Whew...
7/10 (totally aerobic for this one)
Tinmen dont get injured.. just saying
I've heard rumblings that Houlihan is hurt, too.
Chris Derrick has been a complete disappointment as a professional. His teammate Andrew Bumbalough, he can't still have a Nike contract? If he does I hope it's just for product! Now Matthew Centrowitz is part of that no pressure to perform BTC too. Just look at Cento's Instagram posts, they are unbelievably sophomoric and immature. Not something you'd expect from a professional runner
Olympic GOLD medalist but from some college frat boy. You could go on and on and on with Jerry Schumacher's Bowerman Track Club Elite. But we like Jerry Schumacher though and loathe Alberto Salazar how ironic. Oh, that's right Salazar is STILL under investigation. How's that going David Epstein, Kara Goucher and Steve Magness?
Is Gwen the only healthy marathoner Jerry's got now?
Tinman fan wrote:
Tinmen dont get injured.. just saying
Yes they do... One significant example,
Pretty sure Drew Hunter said he was injured for a significant amount of time prior to indoor nationals ... unable to train the full cycle, and that's why he was in the B-final.
Tinman fan wrote:
Tinmen dont get injured.. just saying
Hunter was injured last year. Not sure if he has raced yet this year?
Shoebacca wrote:
Glad we all agree Salazar is a cheating idiot.
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Idiot? Oh ok.
There’s an Instagram post today and there’s 9 guys in their group doing a track workout including Ryan Hill and Lopez Lomong. That’s a pretty big group of healthy folks. They also had a group of around 10 guys doing a progressive long run on Sauvie Island 10 days ago and Jager was part of that. I think Jerry takes every precaution and has them do a lot of cross training to stay healthy. When you’re training at that high of a level for as long as these people have you’re bound to eventually get injured. Hope to see everyone healthy for the World Championships later this year.
Cool Story wrote:
Lets all put our blinders on and ignore it.
PS: Salazar is a fucking idiot. Rubbing T on his son... FUCKING IDIOT
FUCKING
ghost_coach wrote:
peekay wrote:
He may be cheating but he is certainly not an idiot.
Um... IF one is intentionally cheating, they are an idiot. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Also, if using the metric outlined in this thread's premiss (injuries to multiple elite athletes at the same time means coach is an idiot)... Salazar is an idiot (using that premiss). That said, the premiss behind this thread is equally idiotic. .
*premise
Irony is beautiful.
Not really wrote:
Tinman fan wrote:
Tinmen dont get injured.. just saying
Hunter was injured last year. Not sure if he has raced yet this year?
National 2 mile indoor champ.
Jep wrote:
Not really wrote:
Hunter was injured last year. Not sure if he has raced yet this year?
National 2 mile indoor champ.
In a time that would have been middle-of-the-road in the DI 3K? Great.
ghost_coach wrote:
Cool Story wrote:
Lets all put our blinders on and ignore it.
PS: Salazar is a fucking idiot. Rubbing T on his son... FUCKING IDIOT
Yes... Salazar is an idiot, and a pathetic cheat (in my opinion), but that's not the point here.
Who's ignoring "it"... what, injuries? Not starting a LR thread to single out one coach/program doesn't mean its being ignored, or that I (we) don't care. There's no conspiracy or failure of conscious going on here.
These collectives/teams are relatively new to the US system, but training related injuries are most certainly not. Having these athletes in "camps" increases the appearance of clusters, but the injuries would be occurring just the same (if not more) if these athletes were on their own or in two to three person training groups (as in the 80's 90's). That, and obviously a portion of these athletes would have ended their careers without the rehabilitation resources available under the new collective training camps.
I don't see this as a coaching issue (directly anyway), but a corporate issue... Corporate Nike is driving this runaway train, not the coaches.
A more relevant discussion would be to discuss the injury rates of US athletes, under our current "camp" system as a whole. Not to single out one coach/program as if the others aren't experiencing the same injury issues elsewhere, or even (relatively) higher attrition rates. As a coach, I am frustrated that Rupp, Hasay, Centro, (BTC et al) are failing to remain healthy and consistent... there's a collective problem, and why not turn our attention to the real elephant in the room? That would be Nike snatching up our best talents with $$$ and marketing, only to watch them fall on the corporate sword with injury after injury.
What??? So a corporation is magically coaching these runners now? Jerry and Salazar have all of Nike's resources so if anything, the injury rate should be lower since the group is based out of Portland.
Centro had hardly been injured til 2017 and he had an illness in conjunction with his hamstring problems. He got back to decent health in 2018 winning USA's and running 3:31. Centro was banged up late 2018, but he's back running now and should be fine for worlds unless he gets injured again.
Hasay, had a small injury in 2016, but when you're an elite marathoner runner who runs 90-110 miles a week and you get a stress fracture, that's A LOT more severe compared to a 1500m runner. She can back just fine.
Don't even get me started with Rupp. The amount of consistency this man has had since Salazar took over his training sophomore year is ridiculous. Not to mentioned how hard Salazar pushes him in training, him and Farah and Farah never got injured. This is the first major injury that Rupp has ever had.
NOP's overall injury rate, even by percentage, is much lower than BTC's.
ncrecuvuer wrote:
What??? So a corporation is magically coaching these runners now? Jerry and Salazar have all of Nike's resources so if anything, the injury rate should be lower since the group is based out of Portland.
Centro had hardly been injured til 2017 and he had an illness in conjunction with his hamstring problems. He got back to decent health in 2018 winning USA's and running 3:31. Centro was banged up late 2018, but he's back running now and should be fine for worlds unless he gets injured again.
Hasay, had a small injury in 2016, but when you're an elite marathoner runner who runs 90-110 miles a week and you get a stress fracture, that's A LOT more severe compared to a 1500m runner. She can back just fine.
Don't even get me started with Rupp. The amount of consistency this man has had since Salazar took over his training sophomore year is ridiculous. Not to mentioned how hard Salazar pushes him in training, him and Farah and Farah never got injured. This is the first major injury that Rupp has ever had.
NOP's overall injury rate, even by percentage, is much lower than BTC's.
You couldn't have missed the point of my post any further... but ok (lol).
Check your head wrote:
ghost_coach wrote:
Um... IF one is intentionally cheating, they are an idiot. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Also, if using the metric outlined in this thread's premiss (injuries to multiple elite athletes at the same time means coach is an idiot)... Salazar is an idiot (using that premiss). That said, the premiss behind this thread is equally idiotic. .
*premise
Irony is beautiful.
That would have been funny, even ironic, but premiss is an alternate spelling for premise... thanks.