Jayhawk wrote:
I think what trackdork is trying to say is that if you go to Johnson County you'll have more success getting your hours accepted at a four year college than you will at the other JUCOs in Kansas. Academically it is the best of the Kansas JUCOs.
THAT IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barton is still the top juco, and will be next year. Just look at results from the confernece meet last year. They scored soemething like 250 points??? Butler is a good school as well as Cloud, Cowley, Johnson.
??? wrote:
Programs that suck, are Allen County, Neosho, Fort Scott, Independence, Cloud is mediocre as is Hutchison, some of them that are decent but not gonna go many places are Cowley, Johnson, Garden City (new coach has a lot to do) Pratt (same as Garden), Barton and Butler County are probably the two top programs as of now, but Barton can't recruit out of state for sometime because of MAJOR rules violations by their basketball team so don't expect them to do anything in the next few years and rebounding is going to be hard for them. Butler well they are pretty level right now, they get a crop of decent runners each year but can't bring it together at the right time. But in track no one will be their sprint core, with Ivory Williams and Willie McCaskill and Willie Hordge. Plus with their outstanding distance program, they are going to score lots of points. Um, thats about it any of the other schools in that region aren't really worth mentioning, Coffeyville has a good mid-distance guy from Oklahoma but thats it, and Highland in the far northeast is just a level program with a good coach. I'm obviously biased to Colby b/c its my alma mater, but I also know what is gonna happen in the next few years there and if people will realize that, then they will be on one of the best cross teams, and soon to be track teams in that region.
Hummmm...not that I have anything against out of the country runners, however, much of the success that both Barton and Butler have is from their distance runners (and Barton in the sprints) who are from not from the states. If all were created equal, take out the foriegn runners..things would be more even...
And unless I am mistaken, two years ago in the NJCAA Region 5 championships they ran both divisions together at the same time, I & II, in which Cloud County had the first two or three runners (which are D-II) to come in before anyone from Butler...and also, had it been scored as one meet, Cloud would have won. As a former Juco coach, I do understand that having good foreign runners is not for the most part being a great coach, but, being a great recruiter. I can't express how many times a JUCO brings over an African who has very impressive times, yet they never reach or run those times while at that JUCO...but even their slower times are better than the average 18 & 19 year old American....
Let me end with this, I do think the foriegn runners work hard and I am glad that they do attend American colleges.
Thank you Coach Pat, for your imput on your JCCC Track and Field program.
And unless I am mistaken, two years ago in the NJCAA Region 5 championships they ran both divisions together at the same time, I & II, in which Cloud County had the first two or three runners (which are D-II) to come in before anyone from Butler...and also, had it been scored as one meet, Cloud would have won. As a former Juco coach, I do understand that having good foreign runners is not for the most part being a great coach, but, being a great recruiter. I can't express how many times a JUCO brings over an African who has very impressive times, yet they never reach or run those times while at that JUCO...but even their slower times are better than the average 18 & 19 year old American....
Let me end with this, I do think the foriegn runners work hard and I am glad that they do attend American colleges
Region 5.......do you mean region VI (six). Also Cloud went 1, 2, 3 but they could not have beaten the D1 teams.....they did not even beat all the D2 teams.
Get you facts correct!!!!!! Please!!!!!
grun wrote:
Let me end with this, I do think the foriegn runners work hard and I am glad that they do attend American colleges
Region 5.......do you mean region VI (six). Also Cloud went 1, 2, 3 but they could not have beaten the D1 teams.....they did not even beat all the D2 teams.
Get you facts correct!!!!!! Please!!!!!
I do stand corrected and admit I was in error..I have no problem with that....
It would be Region 6...and no Cloud didn't beat all the D-II schools in cross-country...that would have been in the half-marathon a month later, where the top two schools were a D-II and a D-III school.
I agree with part of your last statement, Foriegn runners often don't work harder than they need to...but I think they train, nobody gets fast by not doing nothing.
Thanks for your corrections in my information...
Can you please name a foreign distance runner Barton has had in the last five years?