4 month old Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 Max plane crashes on takeoff to Nairobi - All 157 on board are killed

USA FAA says Boeing 737 MAX8 is OK! Others disagree... (including other 737s)

1. Indonesia's Transport Ministry will order the temporary grounding of all 737s while it carries out safety inspections,

a former FAA official warned during an appearance on CNN that travelers should be wary about flying on 737 MAX 8s.

flight attendants working for American Air won't be compelled to work on the 737s if they feel "unsafe".

South African carrier Comair has become the latest airline to ground its 737 MAX 8

BRAZILIAN AIRLINE GOL SUSPENDS FLIGHTS WITH BOEING 737 MAX 8

Aeromexico has also grounded its Boeing 737 MAX 8s

California Sen. Dianne Feinstein has urged Boeing to recommend grounding 737s.

https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1105192183244750849

https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/1105096008504041472

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-11/boeing-shares-fall-9-hundreds-737s-grounded-following-2nd-deadly-crash

The Australian civil aviation authority has followed similar moves announced by China, Indonesia, the Cayman Islands, Ethiopia, Mongolia and Morocco earlier this week.

US carriers continue to operate the aircraft despite the two recent crashes.

American Airlines has not grounded the 24 jumbo jets in its fleet, saying it would await the investigation into the crash.

Southwest, which operates 34 Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft, said it remains “confident in the safety of our fleet.”

well the usa and europe are more interested in money and making companies happy than their citizens. China and others are actually looking out more for their population in current days. crazy really

This thread is classic letsrun. An American airplane has severe safety issues, causing two crashes linked to a design problems. Half the posters are shi**ing on Ethiopian airlines or Kenya (?).

If it wasn't a Boing, the 737Max would be banned by now in the US. But hey, buy American, even if it kills you.

Banana Bread wrote:

We all know that Bekele is in the hotel business and is a tycoon like Trump in Ethiopia(as well as the greatest runner). He should also control the flying business so the planes are as good as he is.

It is not really acceptable for a plane to DNF.

Ethiopian Airlines is one of the best Airlines in the world.

I have flown with them and was very impressed. And that was 20 years ago.

If you look through their record of failures a lot of them are pretty old. And this is Africa were airports didn't have all the safety resources good modern airports have today.

This issue is about the plane Boeing 737 MAX. There must be a bigger issue in that software.

Nobody public knows anything at this point.

Wait for the results of the investigation.

Judgment call on the part of national authorities and airlines whether to ground the planes or issue advisories.

As the troubled Boeing 737 MAX jets are being diverted in European skies, with nations shutting airspace over the deadly crash in Ethiopia one by one, an Israeli-bound Norwegian Airlines plane was forced to return to Stockholm.

Data from tracker website Flightradar24 shows that Norwegian flight DY4545 got as far as Romania before the plane was diverted back to Stockholm Arlanda Airport. The U-turn coincided with an announcement by Norwegian Airlines that it was suspending all Boeing 737 MAX 8 flights following the Ethiopian Airlines crash on Sunday – the second disaster involving the new Boeing jet in the last six months.

Austria, Australia, France, Germany, Ireland, UK, Singapore, Malaysia, Norway, Belgium, Oman, Indonesia, Poland and the Netherlands announced they would be suspending all flights involving the Boeing aircraft, joining several other nations and airlines that announced bans the day before. At least 27 airlines have now grounded the Max 8.

Canada's air carrier WestJet decided not to suspend using the 13 MAX 8s it has in its fleet. "We are monitoring the situation closely and will not speculate on the cause of the incident," WestJet said in a statement. "WestJet remains confident in the safety of our Boeing 737 fleet including our 13 MAX-8 aircraft first introduced in 2017."

Emirati airline Flydubai, that flies 11 Boeing 737 MAX 8s, said it "remains confident in the airworthiness of our fleet." "We are monitoring the situation and continue to be in touch with Boeing... The safety of our passengers and crew is our first priority," the statement by Flydubai reads. "The aviation sector is highly regulated and Flydubai rigorously adheres to all regulations."

Germany's TUI Aviation Group also doesn't have plans to suspend the 15 aircraft it is operating. "We do not comment on any speculation and we are, as always, in close contact with the manufacturer," the airline said in a statement. "We have no indication that we can't operate our 737 MAX in a safe way like we do with all other planes in our network."

Icelandair, the flag carrier of Iceland, said its three Boeing 737 MAX jets have never been involved in any incidents. The company pledged to monitor further developments with the aircraft. "At this stage, Icelandair is not taking any action following recent events, but we will, however, follow any developments closely and continue to do all we can to ensure safety on board now as before," a statement reads.

Brazil's GOL Linhas Aereas, which operates seven 737 MAX 8s in its fleet, also refused to ground the jets. "GOL continues to follow the investigations and maintains close contact with Boeing for clarification," the airline said in a statement. "The company reiterates confidence in the safety of its fleet."

The LionAir crash appears to be related to the MCAS system that Boeing installed after upgrading the engines on the latest iteration of the 737, the "Max" - and new fly-by-wire equipment is always dicey on an airframe that is possibly twice as old as most posters on letsrun. The flight before the LionAir one that went down the pilots had similar issues and managed to land the plane safely. Somehow LionAir didn't either ground the plane to check the sensor or relay the information to the new pilots about how to deal with the malfunctioning MCAS. The new pilots had the same problem but this time it crashed.

Reuters has reported that multiple eyewitnesses in Ethiopia saw smoke/fire/debris coming from the plane before it crashed. That creates some doubt that it was just the pilot fighting the MCAS system again. Cargo holds don't catch on fire because of software (excluding Swissair 111 of course).

We don't know internal conversations among major domestic owners like Southwest to know if they have been having problems with the new MCAS stabilizer on the 737 Max. We do know that Boeing is trying to fix the software so obviously they screwed up. We also don't know how much 737 pilots knew about the new MCAS either.

additionally, as a layperson I'm not against the FAA revoking the 737 MAX certificate for a short period of time to let Boeing figure it out and to let the authorities finish their investigations. Better to do it now than later (see DC-10).

"The fact that this airplane requires such jury-rigging to fly is a red flag. Now we know the systems employed are error-prone — even if the pilots aren't sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don't I know?" wrote the captain.

One captain who flies the Max 8 said in November that it was "unconscionable" that Boeing and federal authorities have allowed pilots to fly the plane without adequate training - including a failure to fully disclose how its systems were distinctly different from other planes.

An FAA spokesman said the reporting system is directly filed to NASA, which serves as an neutral third party in the reporting of grievances.

I would also mention that if I was currently crewing this aircraft, that I would try to find some sick days that were coming to me, until more was known.

an Ethiopian Airlines spokesman said flight recorders from the jet will be sent to a European country for analysis because Ethiopia lacks the technology to examine them.

However, AP reports that a spokesman for Germany's Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accident Investigation is telling The Associated Press that the agency was asked by Ethiopian authorities to analyze the black boxes from Sunday's plane crash but declined because it lacked the necessary software.

Spokesman Germout Freitag said Wednesday that he doesn't know where the black boxes will be sent next.

https://twitter.com/LibertyBlitz/status/1105889027444494336

ACTUAL Former Pilot wrote:

I would also mention that if I was currently crewing this aircraft, that I would try to find some sick days that were coming to me, until more was known.

This. Who in their right mind would have kept flying one? Talk about increased risk.