"STABLE OF KENYAN-BORN STARS" -- Gaulty, this is racist

Only crazy/psychotic people hear "dog whistles" everywhere

Tell me why you think you are wrong instead of using insults or whatever? Don't be afraid of dialogue. Have a conversation. I think the US has shown a pattern of racism over time to people who are not white. I think LRC always identifying where people are born is complicit in that culture. I think referring to a group of black athletes as being in a stable is racist.

ayyyyyyy wrote:

Tell me why you think you are wrong instead of using insults or whatever? Don't be afraid of dialogue. Have a conversation. I think the US has shown a pattern of racism over time to people who are not white. I think LRC always identifying where people are born is complicit in that culture. I think referring to a group of black athletes as being in a stable is racist.

You don't want to have a "dialogue." You want to speechify and virtue signal.

Horse analogies are used all the time in running.

Nationality is not a race.

You really need to look up the definition of racism.

Don't agree with everything here: but in general, yep. At the very worst these guys elevate the U.S running scene... I don't really care who is winning medals in a U.S singlet as long as they compete fairly. Most of these guys went to college in the U.S and have opted to live here instead of going back full time to Kenya to train (like some Bahrani and Quatari athletes), especially combined with the fact that they went to boot camp should make this a non-issue. They still have to get on the line and compete, they still have to train hard. I find Chelimo, Kipchichir, and Kebenei especially to be very interesting athletes and am just as invested in their success as a fan of U.S running as I am any American born athlete.

Bet if Chelimo finished 1st in Doha and a guy like Jenkins or Hill took 3rd some of y'all would be more mad about Chelimo competing than the fact that the U.S won two medals in a distance race. It looks silly. No person of European descent born in this country has ancestors that arrived any more or less legitimately than a Kenyan kid who wants a diploma and 4 years of college running.

I understand where everyone is coming from, but Leonard Korir is currently my favorite active US distance runner, so I'll let it slide.

OP is a pure snowflake. Animal terms are very common in the athletics world. Do you object to good athletes being referred to as Studs?

Stable is used everywhere. Guys even use it to refer to their bikes (steeds).

Speaking of stable. You are not ayyyyyy.

Take off your racist optics.

You are getting race and nationality confused.

Those foreign runners are coming here for the money, not because they want to represent the US at events.

Can't tell what's a real complaint or parody anymore. "Stable" has been used by LetsRun to describe many groups. The fact that the group is made up of Kenyan-born athletes is a descriptor, like how Schumacher's original group was described as a stable of former Wisconsin athletes.

What does being born in kenya have to do with someone's race? Kenya is a nationality. I find your post frightfully ignorant OP.

As for the "stable" comment, if you had ever been on a cross country team you would have heard this language before. It's probably a leftover from horse racing.

Take a look in the mirror you ignorant fool.

Did you read the first line of my post? I don't agree with everything OP writes, just my two cents.

I would posit that the way the term was used is more the problem than the use of it itself: take for example the commentary at 2012 in London, one of the announcers in reference to NOP referred to Farah, Rupp, and Ritz as "Salazar's stable" or something to that effect. That's a personalizing statement that gives the audience more information. It can't be really be read or heard in a derogatory way unless, of course, you have context. ;)

The way I read "kenyan-born stable" my first thought was, it would be been informative to say "the stable of athletes coached by Scott Simmons," as he isn't as well known a coach, which would get people reading about his background, the group, etc. It's a nuanced thing but it sounds less simplistic, and it's more engaging as a reader.

Just want to be clear; Gault is a great journalist. Most of us could not do his job or routinely memorize and report on this very fragmented sport as well as he does. I just think he could have chosen his words a bit better.

Lotta personal attacks which is not surprising to find on LRC. You can show a pattern of racism when it comes to nationality. This deals with athletes who are non white. By saying where they were born, it's pretty clear they do it to separate out white and black athletes.

Ya'll are cruel talking about mental stability. That's not funny. It's mean. Engage in dialogue instead of trying to insult me. That's a reflection on you and your cowardice over the boards and how you aren't prepared for conversations like this. By harping on where people are born, LRC is being racist. There is no need for the way they do this other than the fact that they want to raise white athletes. It's silly.

ayyyyyyy wrote:

Lotta personal attacks which is not surprising to find on LRC. You can show a pattern of racism when it comes to nationality. This deals with athletes who are non white. By saying where they were born, it's pretty clear they do it to separate out white and black athletes.

Ya'll are cruel talking about mental stability. That's not funny. It's mean. Engage in dialogue instead of trying to insult me. That's a reflection on you and your cowardice over the boards and how you aren't prepared for conversations like this. By harping on where people are born, LRC is being racist. There is no need for the way they do this other than the fact that they want to raise white athletes. It's silly.

I don't find any problem insulting racists like you. I know you're unwilling to have a discussion unless someone meets every single one of your dogmas, so there's no point in being kind. Again, look in the mirror. Maybe the fact that a lot of people exposing your ignorance is just that.

I appreciate your actually thoughtful posting and not just attacking my mental health. Even if we don't 100% agree we can still talk about how the sentence structure was used in the context of the brojos/Gault always focusing on where black athletes who immigrated to the US were born. I just think is superfluous. How would the article read any differently if they just cut that stuff out. And now referring to those athletes as a stable didn't sit right with the websites history.

By all means, continue to throw personal insults but the brojos & their staff are all white men and they have zero training on race + gender. They fall flat all the time in those areas. It isn't too much to ask them to show some introspection. By labeling US athletes as Kenyan born they are the ones bringing race into it because they want us, their audience, to know that there is something different about them. Some of their insistence to do this rooted in racial biases (whether that was their intention or not, implicit bias is a thing).

I don't understand, I stated my position. I presented it. I can talk about the merits of it with you or anyone else on here. You are not using "racist" correctly and are being flat out rude/mean. All I did was highlight something I found offensive. You can disagree and tell me why instead of attacking me. Who taught you how to have conversations with people?

and he/she will disappear.

To not offend I did not assume gender since it would be racist.

Your intention is to use racially charged language to coerce people into agreeing with you, or else they are racist. It's a tired shtick. Don't you know you're doing this? Please drop the morally superior pretense no one is falling for it except you.

mcvred wrote:

The way I read "kenyan-born stable" my first thought was, it would be been informative to say "the stable of athletes coached by Scott Simmons," as he isn't as well known a coach,

Did you even read it? This is what it says:

"Scott Simmons‘ WCAP/American Distance Project group has crushed it at this meet the last two years with its stable of Kenyan-born stars"