18yo , has run 4000+ strava miles in 2016/17/18, currently running 150mpw, How fast will he run at London this year?

Well if you have been doing 150 miles a week for over a year this should be no problem . No one is doubting that he is training like a beast. The point is he's not training like a smart beast and maximizing potential.

I got a bit worried when I saw he only did 12km today... then I saw he had done 23km already this morning

I think Ma Junren has returned to coaching this guy. Building him up to a marathon a day eventually.

The five or so recent runs of his I checked out all feature a moving time that's a number of minutes shy of the elapsed time: four minutes on his 2/12 21-miler, 10 minutes on his 2/11 20.7-miler, for instance.

The cadence data has dips that appear to be at major road intersections, naturally enough, but I can't figure out where and how many times he stops and starts back up on these runs to account for a 10-minute delta in elapsed vs. moving time.

A 10-minute delta means his apparent 6:45-paced 20.7 miler as calculated by moving time was actually run at 7:13 pace.

Not that it matters much. The guy's not hiding nor claiming anything, even 7:13 pace is plenty respectable, and he's running 21-milers most days. I applaud his commitment. Lord knows I couldn't do that.

Where you at Loo? Explain yourself. Seriously if you're reading this I would love an explanation of your training plan and goals.

https://imgur.com/uHbZDMI

This is actually Noel Loo - you can check Strava for verification.

This thread has gotten more attention that I had hoped - when I first saw it I frankly hoped it would die within a day or two. I'm not a fan of the added pressure/attention

A small correction to OP - I'm 19 not 18 (not that it makes a big difference). I'd like to address some points brought up in this thread.

Why do you run so many miles?

Idk - I like running. I know that this training isn't optimal but frankly this is how I like to train, and I enjoy going out and just running for really long.

What are you goals?

I'm running the London Marathon this year and hopefully going sub 2:30. I'm roughly following Jack Daniel's 2Q plan. Some people on this thread seems to thing I could go much faster, but frankly I think you'd be surprised at how slow my top speed is. While this low top speed may be due to fatigue, and because I've never really trained it, I frankly don't believe that even if I focused on it I'd be very good. Honestly I don't really have the much running talent - my only talent is being able to run a lot. I bet if any runner with some talent ran as much as I did they'd be in much better shape than me.

What's up with the long elapsed time?

On most easy runs I don't really care about the elapsed time - they are just easy miles anyway and I don't care if I'm running them at 6:20s or 7:30s. If a run has a much longer elapsed time it's probably because I had to stop to use the washroom at some point. I'm not trying to flex by making my paces be as quick as possible on easy runs.

"He ran 3:04 with 150 mile weeks? That shows how inefficient that whole mileage thing is."

I was running more like 80-90mpw during that time. I was 16 and had only starting running consistently 5 months before, so if anything I think that shows how efficient mileage is. I think I'm in much better shape now than I was then (you could easily check my runs from early 2016).

One other small point - My right foot has been slightly sketchy the past two days - so I only ran 6ish miles today. I don't think this is going to blow up badly, but if I'm actually badly injured then you guys could tear me a new a**hole for being foolish enough to think I could run 150mpw.

Anyway, you guys have been surprisingly reasonable. When I first saw this thread I was bracing myself to be roasted so hard but it's been alright.

If you really are Noel and not some Letsrunner with way too much time on your hands then good luck! I'll be rooting for you.

Looks like his most recent post on Strava confirms that that's his registered handle on LR

Good to have you here Noel. I don't think any athlete should need to explain their training - but it's interesting to read.

Everyone is individual and clearly what you're doing is working. No it's not risk free, but nobody got anywhere by not taking risks. But most important is you're enjoying it.

Plenty of stories about people running 140+ mile weeks with no shorter work and having huge success - e.g. Henry Rono running 18 miles of 8 minute miling every day, the "140mpw" thread where NikeFreeMe broke 14 mins running 140 mpw at 7:30 pace with some 'progressive tempos', Cam Levins was doing fine and only got injured when he moved to Salazar etc, that HRE guy had absolutely terrible talent but through mileage he posted very respectable times.

There's always a load of people who try and bring these people down. It's a rather British trait and it's sad to see it so prevalent in the US. Plus I bet most of these haters couldn't run sub 2:30 anyway, so f*ck 'em.

Thanks for the post Noel, I've been following you on Strava and your training is incredible. I come from very much the same camp as you - not much speed or talent except for the talent to handle miles. The thing is, running isn't just about training in the most optimal manner possible, especially for anyone who isn't elite. It's also about the pure enjoyment of running, which may not always be the greatest way to train. Obviously, there's some overlap there, but there is divergence as well. Like the last poster said, all that really matters in the very end is that you enjoy it.

You've build some serious strength that I definitely hope to achieve some day. Although I know you don't like the attention, I'm curious as to how you manage your time and how you recover?

Best of luck with London.

Thanks for posting NL and best of luck

Thanks for the support guys

In terms of time management - I'm a student so I don't have that many commitments. I have a relatively relaxed schedule this semester which plays well with my running. I like to think that my running time isn't wasted time anyway. I believe that if I ran less, I'd just fill the extra time with useless crap anyway - cutting out an hour of useless youtube video watching for 8 more miles sounds pretty reasonable to me. I understand that most people aren't as fortunate as me and have far more commitments. I'm sure in a few years when I'm working full time I won't be able to keep up this mileage, so I guess I'm making use of the opportunity when I have the chance.

I don't have any good recovery tips unfortunately. I've only been running seriously for a bit over 3 years, so I'm not that experienced. I'm pretty sedentary apart from running - I find that if I was around or stand a lot it really makes my legs feel like crap. I'm pretty good at making sure I get enough sleep (8 hours as an absolute minimum, normally 9), and I think that it helps recovery a lot. Again - I'm fortunate that I have a schedule that allows me to do this. I don't do any cross training, and I don't do that much strength work. I just do the mytrl hip routine ~4 times a week and some resistance band exercises - I think it they a lot with glute + hip activation.

I never really believed NikeFreeMe, was it ever proven if they were a real person? It wasn't hard to check the NCAA lists and see that no one was running the times he was saying at the times he was saying they happened.

Keep up the good work. People loving their running trumps all.

Following this thread and an strava. Go get 'em!

Oh boy, the machine has crushed 37km on the 'mill today, thanks to stormy weather in England.

Treadmill goes home DEVESTATED.

Nothing on Strava since 14th of March. Hope he's not injured. Really wanted to see what time he'd run with the monster mileage training.

Updates??

He never missed a day and now nothing for 3 weeks. I assume he's injured.

Or his watch is broken/stolen

Or he's dead