Best ULTRA runner would beat every American distance runner at an ULTRA (beside Rupp)

I'd like to see Edward Cheserek take up this challenge... although only a 10ker, trains in Flag on a regular basis...would be a fun training run, anyway. set up a hard long run training day in the Canyon with Jim. let's do this...

Aren't there dozens of former div I runners that can run 1:04? This guy just made the right marketing choice for himself. It beats working in a shoe store. Ultra running is where smug white people go to get away from real competition. This is all the way from the top to the walkers in the back.

For Crying out loud wrote:

One name for you noobs- Alberto Salazar

A burnt out and 10 years past his prime Salazar won the most prestigious ultra in the World. P

He won it the year BEFORE they started offering prize money. He does not have one of the top 10 times in the race. After prize money was introduced, his time would have never won the uphill race again. (though one year was only 3 seconds faster)

5 guys have run the uphill course more than 10 minutes faster than Salazar did.

For the love of God wrote:

For the love of God stop it already. He's a very good runner. He decided to focus his efforts in a running niche that has not really been contested by great runners, and has done well for himself. But Christ he is not the greatest runner the world or even America has ever seen. Competing at traditional distances he *might*be able to make a meager living as a pro for a few years. But it's unlikely he would be much more than a middling elite. You fanboys need to get a grip on reality.

This x 1000!

Stinson to Ultras in 2021 when he can’t make the oly team!!

Ever hear of Dan Held

http://www.americanultra.org/iat_2000/

American marathoners are meaningless, 1:04 is the standard yes but any African nobody could smash that past age 40.

I don’t care if walmey wins the trials he would get obliterated at the world stage- Olympics, Berlin, London, Amsterdam...

Don’t cite any American marathons they are obviously watered down competition

He’s a miler/maybe 5k?? When has he ever run a legit 10k

MatthewXCountry wrote:This guy ran 1/8th of the distance of his specialty in an Olympic trials qualifying time! Take any of the best Americans and ask how fast do you think they can go at 1/8th of their specialty distance. When you do this, most of them have PRs in those 1/8th distances which are worse than the Olympic trials qualifying standards in that distance. This suggests that Jim Walmsley is better at ULTRAs than the following athletes are at 10K

Shadrack Kipchirchir (3rd all-time 10K for USA - US Olympian 2016) - 1500 PR = 3:49

Sam Chelenga (4th all-time, 6th at Olympic Trials 10K) - 1500 PR = 3:47

Leonard Korir (10K - US Olympian 2016) - 1500 PR = 3:44

Scott Fauble (4th Olympic trials 10k) - 1500 PR = 3:46

Chris Derrick (5th Olympic trials 10K) - 1500 PR = 3:39

This is the stupidest thing I have read on LRC in recent time. Comparing a 10k to 1500 is like comparing 100k to 10k. It has nothing similar except for that both are called running.

Why just don't take this further and ask Wamsley to run 800 and then compare this time to 10k racer 100 meter sprint abilities. That's about as stupid as you have done it.

you should quit insulting people....... wrote:

For Crying out loud wrote:

One name for you noobs- Alberto Salazar

A burnt out and 10 years past his prime Salazar won the most prestigious ultra in the World. P

He won it the year BEFORE they started offering prize money. He does not have one of the top 10 times in the race. After prize money was introduced, his time would have never won the uphill race again. (though one year was only 3 seconds faster)

5 guys have run the uphill course more than 10 minutes faster than Salazar did.

You mean 5 guys have run more than 10 minutes faster vs the old, burnt out Salazar out of his prime.

Now think about Salazar in his prime.

The how about other sub-210 marathoners in their prime.

Thought I’d mention somethings to ponder - this was Jim’s 1st serious half-marathon. Perhaps he’d gain knowledge and confidence that he could run even faster, should he try to do so again.

I also might point out that many naysayers here should consider that Jim stepped down and put it on the line. Perhaps if one of their champion African 2:04 guys would step to Western States and attempt the same...

Finally, this might baud well for Jim’s longer races...

Cousin Ernie wrote:

Thought I’d mention somethings to ponder - this was Jim’s 1st serious half-marathon. Perhaps he’d gain knowledge and confidence that he could run even faster, should he try to do so again.

I also might point out that many naysayers here should consider that Jim stepped down and put it on the line. Perhaps if one of their champion African 2:04 guys would step to Western States and attempt the same...

Finally, this might baud well for Jim’s longer races...

Help get an elite runner into Western States!

Cousin Ernie wrote:

Finally, this might baud well for Jim’s longer races...

Seriously?

I get what people are saying with regard to the need to adapt to trails and elevation. I mean it's not like Kenyans and Ethiopians grow up running barefoot on dirt roads in the mountains and all. They run exclusively on flast, fast tarmac and 400 meter rubberized tracks. It's highly unlikely they could adapt to the rigors of trails, coffee shops and craft breweries.

That explains why only upper- and upper-middle class white people can excel at ultrarunning. Thus why 98% of ultrarunners are these white people. Poor whites, and moreso people of African descent, just don't have the guts, the innate ability, that special something to do well at trail and ultrarunning.

Hey now! wrote:

I get what people are saying with regard to the need to adapt to trails and elevation. I mean it's not like Kenyans and Ethiopians grow up running barefoot on dirt roads in the mountains and all. They run exclusively on flast, fast tarmac and 400 meter rubberized tracks. It's highly unlikely they could adapt to the rigors of trails, coffee shops and craft breweries.

That explains why only upper- and upper-middle class white people can excel at ultrarunning. Thus why 98% of ultrarunners are these white people. Poor whites, and moreso people of African descent, just don't have the guts, the innate ability, that special something to do well at trail and ultrarunning.

THIS is the best explanations I have heard so far. You only forgot the beard needed.

All this debate is silly. Road running is robotic and boring AF to both do and watch. Track and marathon running is now dominated by races with pacers which suck all the fun out of watching. Only NCAA, Olympics, and Olympic Trials are fun to watch. Everyone just running against a clock. If time is all that matters and you American road warriors have no chance to ever come close to the east Africans then it makes it even more senseless and idiotic. Trail running is more enjoyable to do and follow on basically every level. Because times basically don't matter, every race is exciting and there are so many unknowns. Oh last night I turned on the Dubai Marathon and there's another Ethiopian running 2:03. Who gives a F?

you should quit insulting people....... wrote:

For Crying out loud wrote:

One name for you noobs- Alberto Salazar

A burnt out and 10 years past his prime Salazar won the most prestigious ultra in the World. P

He won it the year BEFORE they started offering prize money. He does not have one of the top 10 times in the race. After prize money was introduced, his time would have never won the uphill race again. (though one year was only 3 seconds faster)

5 guys have run the uphill course more than 10 minutes faster than Salazar did.

Who holds the record for Comrades up again?

Oh that's right, it's another past his prime Olympic marathoner with a 2:09 PR from 12 years before, Leonid Shvetov.

Good day!

For Crying out loud wrote:

Who holds the record for Comrades up again?

Oh that's right, it's another past his prime Olympic marathoner with a 2:09 PR from 12 years before, Leonid Shvetov.

Good day!

Wasn't that guy accused of being doped?

Just listened to the pod. I used to not like Jim W. but after listening to him talk about getting after it and how he's going to go for it in Atlanta. I'm rooting for him big time. I love it. He's basically calling out every other US marathoner. This is the type of guy the US needs.