I remember the first time I saw Kejelcha race. It was in the 5k at the pre classic in 2015. Rupp made a move a little before 600m out and then Kejelcha passed him at about 300 to go and ended up winning the race iirc. I went up to Rupp, "not Rupp certified" letsrun t shirt in hand and asked him to sign it. To my dismay he said that he wouldn't sign my shirt :(
Bob Washington wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
There's no reason why Kejelcha is any more likely to be doping than any American athlete. He trains with NOP now. Subject to full USADA restrictions.
To condemn him as a doper is to condemn the US system as unable to prevent doping any more than East Africa
That’s taking one example and making an assumption that because one gets away with it then the whole organization is bad and can’t stop it as much as some other organization. Crime happens in the US, and crime happens in other places, just because r happens in two places doesn’t mean both are equally bad. The other one may be way worse than the US. Saying that, I do think that some US athletes are doping but I think a lot more athletes are doping in east Africa.
No it isn't. You have an extremely high profile athlete training in the United States whom is almost definitely subject to special targeted testing. If Yomif is doping and has not been caught/is not caught in the next few years, then absolutely anyone in the States could be doping. It would be clear evidence that USADA either does not have the technology to catch dopers or is soft to bribes/corruption of some kind.
It's contradictory to say: all East African athletes living in East Africa are dopers because no testing. All Americans living in America are clean due to testing. Yet all East Africans living in USA are dirty (Korir, Farah when he lived there, Cheserek now Kejelcha). There's no logic to those statements
Ouray Chalet wrote:
Bob Washington wrote:
Well, yeah, like we all know his crazy 7:28 last year and a couple years back his indoor 3k title, but running a 2:18 1k and then a mile in 3:52 indoors within an hour is a bit more impressive in my opinion, especially in early January and his rust buster meet.
He had more than just that 7:28 last year. He had a 3:32 and 12:46 and 59:17 half marathon with that 7:28 in a 30 day period. That's about as impressive as it gets. His workouts in St Moritz were truly incredible.
332 and 59 ... same month ... you're going to have to show me regular test data to believe that for one minute.
Lydiard Cerutty wrote:
olyrun wrote:
Yomif is the real deal and been super strong since a junior. But the US should not worry about it. Lets see if we can get anybody under 13:20 this year other than Paul Chelimo. Probably a long shot.
Leonard Korir, Garrett Heath, Lopez Lomong, Ben True, just to name a few can go sub 13:20 this year.
I’ll add to that list. Eric Jenkins, grant fisher, Dillon maggard, and probably like 10 others. The US isn’t top notch at 5k but we’re not bad.
ex-runner wrote:
No it isn't. You have an extremely high profile athlete training in the United States whom is almost definitely subject to special targeted testing. If Yomif is doping and has not been caught/is not caught in the next few years, then absolutely anyone in the States could be doping. It would be clear evidence that USADA either does not have the technology to catch dopers or is soft to bribes/corruption of some kind.
It's contradictory to say: all East African athletes living in East Africa are dopers because no testing. All Americans living in America are clean due to testing. Yet all East Africans living in USA are dirty (Korir, Farah when he lived there, Cheserek now Kejelcha). There's no logic to those statements
Actually, there's a pretty simple, blatantly obvious rationale to those statements. One that's pretty common on these boards.
ex-runner wrote:
Bob Washington wrote:
That’s taking one example and making an assumption that because one gets away with it then the whole organization is bad and can’t stop it as much as some other organization. Crime happens in the US, and crime happens in other places, just because r happens in two places doesn’t mean both are equally bad. The other one may be way worse than the US. Saying that, I do think that some US athletes are doping but I think a lot more athletes are doping in east Africa.
No it isn't. You have an extremely high profile athlete training in the United States whom is almost definitely subject to special targeted testing. If Yomif is doping and has not been caught/is not caught in the next few years, then absolutely anyone in the States could be doping. It would be clear evidence that USADA either does not have the technology to catch dopers or is soft to bribes/corruption of some kind.
It's contradictory to say: all East African athletes living in East Africa are dopers because no testing. All Americans living in America are clean due to testing. Yet all East Africans living in USA are dirty (Korir, Farah when he lived there, Cheserek now Kejelcha). There's no logic to those statements
He’ll have way extra testing than others.... then you say that no athlete could be doping if he wasn’t caught. That logic is bad my man. If he is the most tested then guys that aren’t tested as much could definitely get away with doping
P. Tergat ran 26:27.85 on the track
Bob Washington wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
No it isn't. You have an extremely high profile athlete training in the United States whom is almost definitely subject to special targeted testing. If Yomif is doping and has not been caught/is not caught in the next few years, then absolutely anyone in the States could be doping. It would be clear evidence that USADA either does not have the technology to catch dopers or is soft to bribes/corruption of some kind.
It's contradictory to say: all East African athletes living in East Africa are dopers because no testing. All Americans living in America are clean due to testing. Yet all East Africans living in USA are dirty (Korir, Farah when he lived there, Cheserek now Kejelcha). There's no logic to those statements
He’ll have way extra testing than others.... then you say that no athlete could be doping if he wasn’t caught. That logic is bad my man. If he is the most tested then guys that aren’t tested as much could definitely get away with doping
I believe you are agreeing with me whether you realise it or not.
Yomif is going to be one of the most tested in the States (special targeted testing). If he is doping but isn't caught by the USADA's best efforts then absolutely anyone in the USA could be doping.
Let’s give credit where credit is due. AlSal magic strikes again !
as well as jenkins, cheserek, rupp if he wanted, jager, bor, etc.... lots of potentials. some could even go sub 13 in a paced race, like true, maybe jager.
Last year the US only had 4 under 13:20. I guess we will see in 2019.
Ouray Chalet wrote:
Bob Washington wrote:
Well, yeah, like we all know his crazy 7:28 last year and a couple years back his indoor 3k title, but running a 2:18 1k and then a mile in 3:52 indoors within an hour is a bit more impressive in my opinion, especially in early January and his rust buster meet.
He had more than just that 7:28 last year. He had a 3:32 and 12:46 and 59:17 half marathon with that 7:28 in a 30 day period. That's about as impressive as it gets. His workouts in St Moritz were truly incredible.
Alan Webb ran 3:46 mile, 3:30 1500m, and 1:43 in a less-than-one-month period.....
Alberto is putting all of his eggs in Yomif and Hassan. It's clear as day, and he is modeling them after Mary Slaney, who had the greatest distance range of all time. People will say that she was tainted, but I'm not buying that she was when she was in her prime.
I think this is one of the reasons why Centro joined BTC. The focus at NOP changed.
Sifan and Yomif destroyed s h i t last year.
ex-runner wrote:
Bob Washington wrote:
That’s taking one example and making an assumption that because one gets away with it then the whole organization is bad and can’t stop it as much as some other organization. Crime happens in the US, and crime happens in other places, just because r happens in two places doesn’t mean both are equally bad. The other one may be way worse than the US. Saying that, I do think that some US athletes are doping but I think a lot more athletes are doping in east Africa.
No it isn't. You have an extremely high profile athlete training in the United States whom is almost definitely subject to special targeted testing. If Yomif is doping and has not been caught/is not caught in the next few years, then absolutely anyone in the States could be doping. It would be clear evidence that USADA either does not have the technology to catch dopers or is soft to bribes/corruption of some kind.
It's contradictory to say: all East African athletes living in East Africa are dopers because no testing. All Americans living in America are clean due to testing. Yet all East Africans living in USA are dirty (Korir, Farah when he lived there, Cheserek now Kejelcha). There's no logic to those statements
Finally someone with the right mind!
Paul Tergat only ran a 28:04 10,000m? I’m done, LR. I’m f-ing done. That’s just awful.
No one even mentioned the typo until page 2 basically. For shame.
As the poster above mentioned, both Hassan and Yomif have some insane range and talent. I’d put both in the top five overall distance runners in the world for their gender, and that’s not an easy list to make.
Maybe, just maybe, you guys, Yomif is just a great runner. I’m so tired of the baseless doping accusations for anyone that isn’t American.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Don't LRers get tired of the "Is he cheating threads". Kjelcha is fast and he is an East-African, but that is not proof of cheating. People can believe all of them cheat or assume he is clean unless he tests positive for something. I prefer the latter as thinking everyone is cheating would ruin the sport for me.
Thank you. Why do you guys even watch the sport if you assume every non-white athlete dopes? It can’t be very fun following it. I’d rather have fun personally.
As to your question, unfortunately LRers will NEVER get tired of the “Are They Cheating?” threads. It starts with the website’s administration, in my opinion.
GoldenMiles wrote:
Paul Tergat only ran a 28:04 10,000m? I’m done, LR. I’m f-ing done. That’s just awful.
No one even mentioned the typo until page 2 basically. For shame.
Hey moron, that was for a road 10k. Which is why it is listed as 10 kilometres. Yomif has never ran a track 10000 meter race and that poster was comparing times they have both ran. Hints why that poster didn't use Tergat marathon pr.
Hey moron ..... wrote:
GoldenMiles wrote:
Paul Tergat only ran a 28:04 10,000m? I’m done, LR. I’m f-ing done. That’s just awful.
No one even mentioned the typo until page 2 basically. For shame.
Hey moron, that was for a road 10k. Which is why it is listed as 10 kilometres. Yomif has never ran a track 10000 meter race and that poster was comparing times they have both ran. Hints why that poster didn't use Tergat marathon pr.
"...has never RUN..."
"...they have both RUN."
"Tergat's"
Moron, huh? Irony is beautiful.
ex-runner wrote:
Yomif is going to be one of the most tested in the States (special targeted testing). If he is doping but isn't caught by the USADA's best efforts then absolutely anyone in the USA could be doping.
Of course everyone can. Isn't that public knowledge?
For example, blood doping can still not be detected directly. There for example, one has to limit the dosages to 200 ml bags. Otherwise one risks getting labeled likely doper, which however doesn't really matter either.
How one can continue using Epo despite potentially daily testing, is also public knowledge.
This system becomes unfair though if there is no testing, or bribing. Then you can go hard core, and use 2x 500 ml blood bags a couple of days before an important race (as in the last decade).