Is Galen Rupp's easy pace the reason he's heads and shoulders above everyone else in U.S Marathon running?

excuse me wrote:

I believe he is lying about averaging 5:20-5:30 mile paces.

I'm 100 percent sure you dont have a clue what you're talking about.

5:20 to 5:30 pace should be very easy for Rupp.

malmo wrote:

excuse me wrote:

I believe he is lying about averaging 5:20-5:30 mile paces.

I'm 100 percent sure you dont have a clue what you're talking about.

5:20 to 5:30 pace should be very easy for Rupp.

Well he has more fast twitch than you malmo, so there's that.

Like Really Bro wrote:

Alberto Salazar interview talked about him running at 5:50s. Where did you get 5:20s?

I remember him doing an interview on a treadmill at 6:00 pace. 5:50-6:00 would be an appropriate easy pace for his race pace.

He might do a long run at 5:30, but that is a moderate pace for his race pace. He'd have to take an easy day before doing that.

He’s not that good wrote:

And of the approx 187 Kenyans that are faster than marathoner Rupp, their easy runs are often at 8min/mile pace.

No, they don´t. You read about Kenyans starting their easy runs at a crawling pace. That´s not so strange. Anyone who is training really hard knows how awful you feel the first few minutes. I can assure you theat they speed up after a few minutes.

Hdfg wrote:

Nah, Galen is decent because of hydroworx and therapeutic use exemptions

Eliud Kipchoge does 7:00 pace

At altitude.

malmo wrote:

excuse me wrote:

I believe he is lying about averaging 5:20-5:30 mile paces.

I'm 100 percent sure you dont have a clue what you're talking about.

5:20 to 5:30 pace should be very easy for Rupp.

/end of thread.

evolutionofeasyruns wrote:

I've been trying to figure out why the marathon in the U.S is struggling to produce sub 2:12 runners. It's well known that Galen Rupp averages 5:20-5:30 pace on his easy runs.

I read about all these other U.S marathon runners and they only average 6:30-7:00 pace on their easy days. I'm starting to believe Galen's easy run pace compared to the rest of the pro U.S marathoners is a major reason why Galen is so much better than everyone else in the U.S.

Anyone feel that way?

We're talking a once in a generation talent here in the states. Can't really compare anything he does to many others.

The top Kenyans run easy pace way slower than the average 2:12 to 2:20 American. So if you want to be a 2:06 run your easy days really fast. But if you want to be a 2:03 guy slow way the heck down. If you're anywhere in between that you'll be stuck in the 2hr teens. Sound logic.

Anyone know what pace Ryan Hall and Khalid Khannouchi did there easy runs at?

It's kind of a chicken and egg question isn't it. Obviously, if you've run 2:06 you'll feel easy at faster paces than if you've only done 2:16 or 2:26 etc. So is it his pace on easy runs that puts him head and shoulders above other US marathon runners or is being head and shoulders above other US marathoners the thing that puts his easy pace at faster numbers than others'?

For someone holding sub 4:50 pace for a whole marathon should not find 5:20-5:30 pace difficult on runs that are half or less the distance of a marathon. Someone able to hold 5:00 pace at his best probably would. The trick is to recover on such runs rather than hitting particular paces.

Nothing to do with pace on easy runs. He's simply way better than everyone, and is a once in a generation talent. All the haters can't stand it cause he comes off as socially awkward and arrogant. And good for him, i wouldn't care what other people thought if i was that good, either. Also, nobody wants to do the marathon. It's lame. Younger guys all want to be track stars. The marathon was just the next logical move for Rupp because his speed was declining and he is now in his thirties. He's a business man, and understands that's the next step to keep making money. It's a business decision. How many 18-22 year olds, say: "man, i can't wait to do the marathon!"??

Nobody.

Hall would run 8 minute pace when he felt beat up and this is well known. It's what I usually tell people when they say they can't run slower. You think you're too good for 8 minute pace when Ryan Hall wasn't? Are you better than Ryan Hall? No. KK I'm not sure of. I'm friends with a Kenyan who was once a pacer for Edna Kiplagat and he has a 10k pb of 28:56 at altitude, many elite Kenyans run very slow on easy days. Although he's a masters runner now he is still very fast and his easy days are taken at 10 minute pace, with warmups for workouts even slower.

Yes, I remember reading running with the Kenyans talking about how he could keep up with Wilson Kipsang on his easy runs. Always find it funny how Mo Farah didn't improve much with Alberto despite what some people believe. And before Alberto Mo said he did all of most of his runs at a 7 minute pace.

I'm guessing after he left Salazar he switched back to 7 minute runs

Now Mo Farah PRs before Salazar and after Salazar:

1500m before 3:33.98 after 3:28.81

3000m before 7:38.15 after 7:32.62

5000m before 12:57.94 after 12:53.11

10000m before 27:28.86 after 26:46.57

Now is his PR improvements due to having a better coach that could peak him better? Also, interesting how he improved his 3000m and marathon PR after leaving Salazar. Is this due to him returning to his easier easy days? Also he was in 10000m PR shape last year when he ran 26:49 at the world championship race.

LOL if you think he's running 5:20 pace on his easy runs. I'd bet it's more like 5:50-6:20. Bernard Lagat, very similar ability, does 'easy' runs (more like maintenance runs, not really recovering) around 5:50-6:15.

Rupp's first few marathons were about 4:55 pace, he's not running only 25 seconds slower than marathon pace on his easy runs.

excuse me wrote:

I believe he is lying about averaging 5:20-5:30 mile paces. According to VDOT a 2:06 marathoner easy pace is 5:33 - 05:54. And remember that VDOT easy pace is too fast. Now according to VDOT a 2:09 marathoner easy pace is 5:41 - 06:02. Now Wejo was doing 7:00-8:00 minute miles for his easy runs and according to VDOT his easy runs should have been 5:41 - 06:03. Craig Mottram said that his easy runs were so slow that he would get passed by girls.

well, VDOT isn't a reliable tool, so thanks for the worthless paragraph.

IGNORANT wrote:

Hdfg wrote:

Nah, Galen is decent because of hydroworx and therapeutic use exemptions

Eliud Kipchoge does 7:00 pace

99% of professional endurance athletes are doped, including Kipchoge and yes, probably Rupp. Anyone who doesn't believe that is ignorant.

Is it really hard to believe someone can ran a sub 13 minute 5000m and 27 minute 10000m? Look at Ron Clarke, ran a 13:16 on a cinder track and a 27:39 10000m track. And his 10000m world record was set on a wet cinder track, in which he ran most of it in lane 2 and 3 due to flooding. On a modern synthetic track and if he would have done proper peaking work, Ron would have been a sub 27 minute/13 minute 10000m/5000m runner w/o any PED use. Now with some PED use he would have ran close to the world record. The clean limit is probably 26:40 and 12:50, however, for one in a billion some can probably run 26:17 and 12:37 10000m/5000m clean. Am I suggesting Bekele is clean? Yes, it is not hard to believe a extreme genetic outlier can run as fast as he can clean. Now is he using some stuff that is consider gray zone? Yes, but those substances are not banned.

Do we know if the 5:20-5:30 easy pace is when he's doing marathon training or when he was training/racing track races only?

That would certainly make a difference and 5:20-5:30 for his 5k/10k training seems reasonable when his 10,000m race pace was 4:18 per mile, 5,000m 4:10-11.

let's think about this wrote:

evolutionofeasyruns wrote:

I've been trying to figure out why the marathon in the U.S is struggling to produce sub 2:12 runners. It's well known that Galen Rupp averages 5:20-5:30 pace on his easy runs.

I read about all these other U.S marathon runners and they only average 6:30-7:00 pace on their easy days. I'm starting to believe Galen's easy run pace compared to the rest of the pro U.S marathoners is a major reason why Galen is so much better than everyone else in the U.S.

Anyone feel that way?

We're talking a once in a generation talent here in the states. Can't really compare anything he does to many others.

This post is the truth.