Breaking: Adam Goucher says he thinks a resolution to the Salazar/NOP doping investigation is "coming very, very soon"

Great, we will achieve 100% resolution by learning that:

• NOP are in the gray area

• They did not technically dope

• They do the maximum that is legal

Rules would need to change to change their "gray area" (that most cannot venture into based on lack of resources) to be able to count it as cheating.

This will be such breaking news.

Unfortunately him and Kara have been saying this for about three years now

And letsrun falls for it every time

tartarm wrote:Unfortunately him and Kara have been saying this for about three years now

USADA is coming...

The clowns are done.

facetious felix wrote:

Great, we will achieve 100% resolution by learning that:

• NOP are in the gray area

• They did not technically dope

• They do the maximum that is legal

Something like that. At most, some will get a 6 month (pseudo) ban for illegal injections, conveniently starting after their retirement or during surgery, a la Lochte.

facetious felix wrote:

Great, we will achieve 100% resolution by learning that:

• NOP are in the gray area

• They did not technically dope

• They do the maximum that is legal

Rules would need to change to change their "gray area" (that most cannot venture into based on lack of resources) to be able to count it as cheating.

This will be such breaking news.

I fear the opposite. I think based on the leaked documents that flo got about L-Carnitine that the following is clear

• NOP is in the gray area

• They technically did violate the rules

• They went over the maximum that is legal

But I'm not sure an L-Carnitine bust is that satisfying of a conclusion. So Salazar gets banned for doing something that doesn't even work? Would Rupp be sanctioned as well? Maybe. But I'm pretty sure Farah wasn't even part of L-Carnitine, was he (correct me if I'm wrong)? If we get a situation where the coach is banned but a big athlete skates, how is that satisfying?

So Salazar is a doping coach but the athlete(s) he transformed are clean? That logically doesn't sit well with me.

But not everyone feels the way I do. I was talking to another journalist about this a while back and they said, "A ban is a ban. Period." He or she didn't care it was for L-Carnitine or EPO. He viewed all bans as the same.

But I guess I'd be glad that it came to a conclusion.

Crying wolf

rojo wrote:...I was talking to another journalist about this a while back ...

tartarm wrote:

Unfortunately him and Kara have been saying this for about three years now

And letsrun falls for it every time

Right, he's a witness. Not leading the investigation in any way. It's a sound bite, non-savvy media take the bait.

L-carnitine is not banned or regulated in any way. There’s no such thing as an “L-carnitine busy”, and it’s frankly irresponsible of you to consistently misrepresent a situation like this. The alleged violation was an IV infusion that was over the legal maximum volume. Nothing to do with L-carnitine or any other substance that is known to have been used.

A view from a non American. If USATF allows former convicted drug users to coach, have board leadership positions , then it doesn't matter what decisions are .

I applaud LRC for their follow-up questions and push for clarity, shown here:

"You said, 'I’m not sure people realize how intense' it can be. Help me realize. What kind of things have you had to face in speaking out?"

Unfortunately, Goucher's reply didn't help much at all. He speaks vaguely of "the negativity, the assaults, essentially ... when you get pummeled by people." What this mean? Does he get hate mail? Hate email? Do people boo him in the grocery store? On a practical, day to day basis does it mean former friends hang up on him when he calls them?

He goes on to say, "And then once everything gets going, more stuff gets exposed and then more stuff is public and you’re in this fight. Until you have that ultimate resolution, it’s almost like energy is being sucked from you." Again, what the heck does this mean? How much of this is actually happening and how much of it is based on his sense of isolation now that he's no longer part of a team or club, now that he's no longer competing? Is he reading too many media reports and imagining people hating him? Is he actually in daily contact with someone working on this and, if so, what does that look like?

What the Goucher's have to realize is that it is not "whistleblowing" if there are no sanctions against the people that you are accusing. This all started in 2014 and as of yet no sanctions have been levied.

Related to this, doesn't Kara stand to lose her World Championships medal if USADA sanctions Salazar and his team? Adam Goucher was part of NOP too. It seems insane to me. They want Salazar and Rupp et al. to be convicted/banned so they can be "vindicated", even though they were a part of the program! If that happens, Adam and Kara are just as guilty. I'm not a fan of Saladbar, but Rupp is just better than Adam, and Kara was probably the best woman ever on NOP. Why can't they just be happy with the success they've had? Don't they realize this middle they are pursuing, where Salazar is guilty but they are not, is untenable? Either Salazar was legally compliant, or the Gouchers were part of a team that doped and should forfeit their results and the WC medal from those years.

olyrun wrote:

What the Goucher's have to realize is that it is not "whistleblowing" if there are no sanctions against the people that you are accusing. This all started in 2014 and as of yet no sanctions have been levied.

The investigation will find minor violations of the "no needles" rule on the L-Carn drips and suspicions that prescription drugs may have been used in an off-label manner. As another poster stated, six month "wrist slaps" handed out or no punishment if current NOP athletes confess. Salazar accepts his six month "ban", admits no wrong doing (L-Carn is NOT doping and I trusted the various doctors who should have known better!) and announces his retirement (was coming soon anyway) in the same press release.

The Gouchers will enjoy another six months of relevance before slipping away into obscurity.

Meanwhile, micro dosing of EPO , CERA, and stuff we don't know about yet continues around the world unabated.

Frisco Cali Hyphy Nation wrote:

Related to this, doesn't Kara stand to lose her World Championships medal if USADA sanctions Salazar and his team? Adam Goucher was part of NOP too.

^This! It would be so much easier, and better whistle-blowing, if Adam and Kara would freely admit to their doping under Salazar.

But no, no one will lose any medals. There may be some stern scolding, and less likely some 3 - 6 months pro forma bans for Ritz and Rupp and Tara and Magness.

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

Meanwhile, micro dosing of EPO , CERA, and stuff we don't know about yet continues around the world unabated.

Yes, but...

a team, that does not shy away from risking multiple four year bans for l-carnitine, is likely to use EPO and testo as well.

Both Rupp and Farah have been labeled likely (EPO) dopers by the IAAF, worse than Kiprop, not as suspicious as Jager.

Was it true that they tested the clearance time of testosterone gel on Salazar's son using Nike's in-house blood testing capabilities? That seems awfully suspicious if so.

Having only read the quote of the day, it's a little bit sad to think the Goucher's really believe you can clean up the sport by getting a few people in trouble. That's not how humanity works. You take one person out and another will pop up, always. ALWAYS. It doesn't mean they should be complacent if they know something wrong went down, but it shows a lack of understanding of reality if they think this will fix the perceived problem of doping in sport.

I have no problem with the Gouchers, I like the Gouchers, but I sense bitterness and butthurt from them from being shown the door. They reacted similarly when Wetmore told them to beat it in 2004. They don't respond well to being informed that they're not useful or problematic. It's hard to blame them, really, but it's a big bruise to the ego that becomes a chip on their shoulders that they take public. A lot of people saw from the start that Adam was brought on-board with NOP to be Galen's training escort. Kara was the prize for Salazar, he saw much unrealized potential in her, and Adam was the spare part that came with her.

Nothing will ever happen with Salazar/NOP. Even if he got caught with video and photos rubbing t gel into Rupp while injecting him with stuff into his butt, it'll all blow over. With Nike's billions of dollars and sway over ever athletics agency there is, it'll all be for naught.