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    • Oh Please
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      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 8:05AM - in reply to El Keniano
      • Oh Please
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      • El Keniano wrote:

        Something’s off
        ...

        The only thing that's "off" is people thinking that he is not, in fact, a doper.

        1) Athlete runs 3:26, toys with world class fields
        2) Knowledgeable fans start to question how clean this person might be
        3) Other fans claim "no way, he's always tested negative."
        4) Athlete then tests positive
        5) Other fans now claim "something's off!"

        Cold hard fact: If you are a WR holder or otherwise "head and shoulders" above your competition, then you are surely doped.
    • Now That's Telling It Like It Is
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 8:11AM - in reply to Oh Please
      • Now That's Telling It Like It Is
      • Oh Please wrote:

        El Keniano wrote:

        Something’s off
        ...

        The only thing that's "off" is people thinking that he is not, in fact, a doper.

        1) Athlete runs 3:26, toys with world class fields
        2) Knowledgeable fans start to question how clean this person might be
        3) Other fans claim "no way, he's always tested negative."
        4) Athlete then tests positive
        5) Other fans now claim "something's off!"

        Cold hard fact: If you are a WR holder or otherwise "head and shoulders" above your competition, then you are surely doped.
        +1
    • m!ndweak
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      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 8:32AM - in reply to El Keniano
      • m!ndweak
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      • whats off is how naive and annoying you are trying to defend him....your as bad as coevett and rekrunner on how bad you push your agenda on this site...dude he used EPO get over it
    • LOL @ the Scrawny Stick Fugure
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 8:49AM - in reply to El Keniano
      • LOL @ the Scrawny Stick Fugure
      • Shut up, matchstick.....You were caught. Next thing you'll be claiming is that your age is correct.
    • Kenyan Doping Addiction
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 9:06AM - in reply to fzefzef
      • Kenyan Doping Addiction
      • fzefzef wrote:

        Doping is part of the Kenyan DNA.
        Don't let rekrunner hear you say that. 🤐
    • Smoove
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      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 9:08AM - in reply to El Keniano
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      • Keniano, unlike some others, I think you tend to be patriotic but not unreasonable. That being said, do you really believe Kiprop to be clean? Not only were there the positive tests, but there was his subsequent behavior where he published video of himself with his pacer's wife and seemed to come really close to admitting he was dirty when he said that he thought his pacer set him up. I know that could be argued in a couple of ways, but it seemed that he was explaining why he got ratted out. The other alternative would be that some lower level runner has enough influence to have the IAAF set up one of the most well known and celebrated athletes in the sport.

        Of course he is going to deny and obfuscate. It doesn't have to make sense, it just needs to provide enough cover for those who want to believe him. The same things are going on here in the US in a grander way.
    • Sauerkraut and bratwurst
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 9:15AM - in reply to El Keniano
      • Sauerkraut and bratwurst
      • Imgaine if el I was German? I could see him claiming the east German swim team was clean.
    • spade detector
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      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 9:21AM - in reply to El Keniano
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      • He cheated - you should be happy he is out of the sport.
    • Coevett
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      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 9:33AM - in reply to m!ndweak
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      • m!ndweak wrote:

        whats off is how naive and annoying you are trying to defend him....your as bad as coevett and rekrunner on how bad you push your agenda on this site...dude he used EPO get over it

        O.K., I'll bite this time, given that you clearly are a racist demented rat who wants to pick a fight with me, somebody who has stood up for you many times.

        You're a racist anti-British knob who really is the classic LetsRun 'everybody who ever ran faster than me doped' deluded moron.

        What is with Americans and their attitude to the British? You're so utterly cowed by the PC movement (which you gave to the world) that you dare even mention race, and so to let off steam (and as a further form of self-hate) there is one nationality you're allowed to openly denigrate and stereotype - the British.

        I'm a racist, not because I disagree with the East African genetic supremacy myth and can see (like you) it's the result of doping, but because I don't assume the great British runners such as Coe doped???

        Maybe it's not because I'm a racist, but I because I look at the evidence and accuse people of doping who come from a culture of doping, corruption, and repeated busts (despite the lack of testing). Unlike you, I don't make up nonsense (like Roger Bannister being on EPO) to fit my agenda.

        What the hell does it matter to you if Kiprop doped if everybody (faster than you) doped/dopes? You do the anti-doping fight a great disservice with your ridiculous EVERYBODY dopes agenda.

        I don't know if you ever took peds to achieve your times, but tbh, you come across as though you've taken more than your fair share of drugs in your lifetime.

        You're the biggest racist here, and with the likes of El K and the African supremacists here, that's quite a dishonour.

        And if you really did threaten to shoot Canova, you need to be watched.
    • HRE
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 11:00AM - in reply to El Keniano
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      • I know two people who know Kiprop. Both have nothing but good things to say about him personally and both kind of think he's clean and being framed. That makes me want to believe him because I believe he's probably a good person overall. But I also have a friend who knew Regina Jacobs fairly well and had only good things to say about her. He had a really hard time believing that she was dirty when accusations started turning up and we know how that turned out. If he is innocent I feel awful for him and hope he can find a way to prove it, maybe a polygraph test would help? But with all we've learned about how common doping is in Kenya and at the world class level it's really hard to believe him.
    • Process concerns
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 11:06AM - in reply to HRE
      • Process concerns
      • The AIU was started in order to increase transparency and trust in the anti-doping system at IAAF. On those counts it has been a failure. In Kiprop's case he was tested over a year ago. His case has not been adjudicated. Nobody at the AIU can state when it will be adjudicated.

        It is not just Kiprop, there is a long long of cases with positive tests waiting for action.
    • hmm.
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 11:29AM - in reply to El Keniano
      • hmm.
      • What is off is that he doped and you are living in fantasy land thinking he didn't.

        No doubt Kenya is corrupt as can be, but the idea that he wasn't doping and was setup to test positive anyway is so far fetched it is laughable. It is less believable than Tyler Hamilton having chimerism (in utero vanishing twin) to explain two types of blood in his test.
    • Speak Up
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      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 11:50AM - in reply to El Keniano
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      • None of the elite athletes are clean.

        Absel is a part of a scheme to convince Westerners that Anti Doping efforts are active in Kenya.

        There comes a time when an athlete must retire from the Sport to make way for the younger generation.
    • Have zero skin in the game
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 1:11PM - in reply to hmm.
      • Have zero skin in the game
      • How can any of you keyboard cowboys know what actually went on? You know what you read. That's it. Keep your judgements reserved for your own lives.
    • Peanut butter
      • RE: Asbel Kiprop on Living Under Doping Cloud 11/26/2018 3:13PM - in reply to El Keniano
      • Peanut butter
      • He wasn't clean, ok. But why doesn't he assume ? Now he's a cheater AND a liar.