Guns for protection or do they create more harm

Ezekiel bread wrote:

You have to understand our founding principles. One of which is resistance against tyranny and infringements on our liberties.

The other is brainwashing and mass red-neck stupidity.

Yashi wrote:

I have now lived in USA for 4 years. I was born in Thailand and don’t understand guns.

Do you think that guns outside of police and military protect more than they hurt?

If you lived in Thailand you would know that there are a lot of guns in Thailand. ขียนเป็นภาษาไทย ok

the430miler wrote:Democrats really do want to make it where a little old lady cannot even have a simple revolver for self defense against a large muscular African American man. That is the Democrats goal.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Of all my friends and acquaintances, I've never met someone who carried a gun.

Some of those "acquaintances" might have been armed with a concealed carry firearm but you just didn't know it.

John Utah wrote:

JabbyJaywalker wrote:

Following this rationale it would be wise to give everyone his own tank, or lets even go a step further, give everyone its own nuclear bomb!

Why would anyone think libs are irrational?

John, Uncle Leo asked me to tell you that it's time take out the trash. Also, he mentioned something about a watch.

So much stupidity in one person wrote:

John Utah wrote:

Why would anyone think libs are irrational?

Why would anyone think you and other cons are intelligent?

Well, one reason would be that I don't use nuclear bombs and pistols together in an absurd logic chain. We can start with that.

We gon' pull up in that hooptie like we cops on 'em

With the 16's, we gon' put some shots on em'

I send a lil' thot to send the drop on em'

She gon' call me up and I'mma sick the hots on em'

Grimey savage, that's what we are

Grimey shooters dressed in G-Star

GS9, I go so hard

But GS for my gun squad

And b*tch if there's a problem we gon' gun brawl

Shots poppin 'out The AR

Not so fast bro wrote:

If you buy a gun, it is statistically more likely to be used by you or a member of your family for a suicide or accidental shooting than in preventing a crime.

That's true for white people. A white person is 3 times more likely to shoot themselves than someone else. It provides a false sense of security. That being said, I stand by people's right to own a gun.

Another interesting study by a black Harvard professor basically debunks the whole Colin Kaepernick and BLM movement:

The USA has approx. 320million people. Per every 1 million people, you're very likely to have one potential homicidal maniac. In the USA, the intangible is that unlike many other 1st world countries, getting a gun is very easy. So the homicidal maniac in the USA almost always has a gun where he can kill more people faster.

And only in the usa do you hear this mantra, "More guns, less shootings". This is of course has been shown to be false in every study on guns.

Show me a place of worship wrote:

Harambe wrote:

The USA's gun laws are basically fine.

I agree. We never have any unnecessary shootings.

And all unnecessary shootings are performed by law-abiding citizens who obeyed current laws to get their guns.

The large majority of gun deaths are suicides. The large majority of gun homicides are drug/gang related. Things like mass shootings, accidents, or other types of homicides are just a tiny fraction. Yes, mass shooting are certainly tragic, but are they any more tragic than a child drowning in a swimming pool, or a construction working being killed in a work-site accident? These deaths are more likely than a mass shooting death. But it's not a political hot button issue, so you don't see calls for "commonsense" pool control, or national organizations pushing for less safety at construction sites. Rather it is just acknowledged that freak tragedies can happen in life and while we should try to limit them, we still need to live our lives.

And comparisons to other countries are difficult to make. More so than any other country, the US is very diverse, large, and violent. I would not expect Florida to have the same gun violence rates as Vermont, much like I wouldn't expect the US to have the same as Norway.

49yroldrunna wrote:

The USA has approx. 320million people. Per every 1 million people, you're very likely to have one potential homicidal maniac. In the USA, the intangible is that unlike many other 1st world countries, getting a gun is very easy. So the homicidal maniac in the USA almost always has a gun where he can kill more people faster.

And only in the usa do you hear this mantra, "More guns, less shootings". This is of course has been shown to be false in every study on guns.

Ok, then is sounds like the USA is not a good fit for you.

The US Diversity brings up an interesting issue. If you look at the intentional homicide rate by state, many states are extremely docile (Vermont, Maine, Utah, etc.), whereas others compare to more war torn countries (Washington DC, Louisiana, Mississippi, Maryland, etc.). Vermont at 1.1 isn't quite as low as Norway at 0.5, but it is comparable to Sweden at 1.1. On the other hand, Washington DC at 24.2 is close to Colombia at 25.5 and is 2.5 times worse than Iraq at 9.85. For that reason gun legislation should be left to the cities and states and not the federal level, as the perception on gun violence in a place like Utah at 1.8 or Lincoln, Nebraska at 0.4 (which is where a lot of us ignorant rednecks are from) is far different than the perception of gun violence in a place like Louisiana at 10.3 or St Louis, MO at 65.8 (which is worse than Capetown, South Africa), but is where more of our enlightened Democrats are from. It is not an intelligence issue, it is a perception issue, and sorry to break it to you, but a hunter in Colorado is going to have a very different perception of a gun than a metrosexual in Washington DC.

Good post.

The US has several outlying statistics that may be related -- the dominance in incarceration, the dominance in firearm violence and killing, maybe even the dominance in Russian and Ukranian facebook trolling!

(Ok, that last might have been a bit tongue-in-cheek...)

People in the US have no clue how big a responsibility owning a gun is. That is one of the biggest problems with gun ownership. People buy into the myth that they have to have a gun to be safe in their home. But they just go out, buy a gun and think that is all they need. People need training about mental health and firearms. Statistics are clear that anyone who is suicidal will substantially increase their risk of a successful attempt if they have access to a firearm (see below). The other problem is that people have no idea how to handle and store their weapons. The majority of firearms in the hands of criminal were stolen from legal gun owners. My neighbor had his truck broken into when he was at a bar. The crooks took his glock. He left it in the center console because he could not CC at a bar. The idiot had never heard of a gun safe for his truck. And then people think that they can just show up with a firearm whenever they want to be in charge. My neighbor is a police officer. He transferred to doing highway duty from working a beat because he was sick and tired at showing up to domestic incidents and having to collect everyone's guns. He eventually would just pull up to a scene where there was a fight and go on the loudspeaker to ask everyone who had a gun to raise their hand. Otherwise, he would get out of his car and half the people at the scene would start reaching in their waistbands to get their guns out to show that they were CC and legal. The cops would crap themselves as it would look like everyone was going to start shooting at them.

While firearms are used in less than 6 percent of suicide attempts, over half of suicide deaths are with firearms.6

Of the most commonly used methods of self-harm, firearms are by far the most lethal, with a fatality rate of approximately 85 percent.7,8 Conversely, less than 5 percent of people who attempt suicide using other methods will die,9,10 and the vast majority of all those who survive do not go on to die by suicide.11 This suggests that a reduction in suicide attempts by firearm would result in an overall decline in the suicide rate.12,13

While there may be warning signs leading up to suicide attempts, almost half of all survivors report less than 10 minutes of deliberation between the thought of suicide and the actual attempt.14,15 Therefore, the method used in this moment of crisis can mean the difference between life and death, and firearms are an especially lethal means of self-harm.

https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/#foot_note_6

Anyone can cherry pick and spin stats to prove whatever point they want. I can submit the probability of a normal non-criminal, non-ghetto-dwelling person being shot is EXTREMELY small. I've seen the stats and can pull them when I have more time.

Bottom line, guns are legal and will stay legal.

The usa pop is actually 327 mill now.

That does not include undocumented folks

All the hunters left Colorado after Hickenlooper banned all magazines over 10 rounds.

Right. Because hunters need large capacity magazines to shoot Elk, Deer, and other fauna. Makes total sense.