Sadik Mikhou Busted

They’re still not busting western runners, though.

El Keniano wrote:

They’re still not busting western runners, though.

Bro, look up the times the western runners are running vs east African runners are running.

Exactly. Rupp shows that the fastest a undoped male can run a marathon is 2:06 flat.

Totally wrote:

Exactly. Rupp shows that the fastest a undoped male can run a marathon is 2:06 flat.

Rupp is in the grey zone. Look at the top ten male runners in the US not name Rupp for a better example.

El Keniano wrote:

They’re still not busting western runners, though.

Or Eskimos

Ezekiel bread wrote:

Totally wrote:

Exactly. Rupp shows that the fastest a undoped male can run a marathon is 2:06 flat.

Rupp is in the grey zone. Look at the top ten male runners in the US not name Rupp for a better example.

Well, i dunno. Something is wrong with US running when even a completely unknown Spaniard can run 2:08 yet Americans after Rupp dream of breaking 2:10 one day. None are even below 2:12 i believe. US minus Rupp is a bad example.

Food for though. Even with the doping Mikhou is slower than Jakob I.

Totally wrote:

Ezekiel bread wrote:

Rupp is in the grey zone. Look at the top ten male runners in the US not name Rupp for a better example.

Well, i dunno. Something is wrong with US running when even a completely unknown Spaniard can run 2:08 yet Americans after Rupp dream of breaking 2:10 one day. None are even below 2:12 i believe. US minus Rupp is a bad example.

Spain isn't a good example since they are very dirty country.

Ezekiel bread wrote:

Totally wrote:

Well, i dunno. Something is wrong with US running when even a completely unknown Spaniard can run 2:08 yet Americans after Rupp dream of breaking 2:10 one day. None are even below 2:12 i believe. US minus Rupp is a bad example.

Spain isn't a good example since they are very dirty country.

Then they are all dirty. Much harder to avoid testing in Spain. When was the last time a Spanish marathoner failed a test?

Funny stuff wrote:

Ezekiel bread wrote:

Spain isn't a good example since they are very dirty country.

Then they are all dirty. Much harder to avoid testing in Spain. When was the last time a Spanish marathoner failed a test?

Ezekiel bread wrote:

Funny stuff wrote:

Then they are all dirty. Much harder to avoid testing in Spain. When was the last time a Spanish marathoner failed a test?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/22361185https://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/sports/26iht-doping.htmlhttps://elpais.com/elpais/2017/05/23/inenglish/1495534655_473113.html

Exactly. 1992 for track. More recently for cycling. Just goes to show you you cant get away with it in Europe easily. Especially not marathoning. Thats why you cant show any marathoning busts. Spain has it much harder testing and oversight-wise compared to e Africa.

Funny stuff wrote:

Ezekiel bread wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/22361185https://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/sports/26iht-doping.htmlhttps://elpais.com/elpais/2017/05/23/inenglish/1495534655_473113.html

Exactly. 1992 for track. More recently for cycling. Just goes to show you you cant get away with it in Europe easily. Especially not marathoning. Thats why you cant show any marathoning busts. Spain has it much harder testing and oversight-wise compared to e Africa.

Spain's national record for the marathon = dirty

Spain's national record for the 5000m= dirty

You meant to say their record by an Ethiopian and a guy from last century? Yeah, doped to the gills all right...

El Keniano wrote:

I wonder if Bahrain’s the actual problem.

Yes, that's got to be it!

Remind us of Kiprop and Bett's Bahrain connections, please.

El Keniano wrote:

Odd because he hasn’t run particularly well this year. Ruth Jebet, Violah Jepchumba and now Sadik Mikhou. I wonder if Bahrain’s the actual problem. Essentially purchasing athletes from other countries, investing millions on them including turning them into lab rats, then piling pressure on to perform.

https://twitter.com/aiu_athletics/status/1042458911893319681?s=21

Actually I think the more reasonable explanation is that when an East African runner decides to represent another country they will now actually have to deal with constant testing. For example, when these athletes represent other countries, most of them have zero affiliation with the country and basically just represent them. They all continue to train in their original country and nothing really changes except they are tested much more and the testers won’t be corrupted with them.

DISCIPLINE PERFORMANCE WIND PLACE DATE RECORDS

400 Metres 50.31 Marrakesh (MAR) 30 APR 2011

800 Metres 1:46.55 Rabat (MAR) 31 MAY 2014

1000 Metres 2:16.09 Stockholm (SWE) 10 JUN 2018

1500 Metres 3:31.34 Hengelo (NED) 11 JUN 2017

One Mile 3:57.10 Oslo (NOR) 07 JUN 2018

3000 Metres 7:39.02 Paris (FRA) 27 AUG 2016

10 Kilometres 28:05 Doha (QAT) 13 JAN 2017

2018 3:34.55 Paris (FRA) 30 JUN 2018

2017 3:31.34 Hengelo (NED) 11 JUN 2017

2016 3:32.30 Huelva (ESP) 03 JUN 2016

2015 3:33.45 Kessel-Lo (BEL) 08 AUG 2015

2014 3:33.47 Oordegem (BEL) 05 JUL 2014

2013 3:33.31 Marrakesh (MAR) 20 APR 2013

Well we can safely say that if he was on something this year, he was on something every year.

Longdistancerunning wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Odd because he hasn’t run particularly well this year. Ruth Jebet, Violah Jepchumba and now Sadik Mikhou. I wonder if Bahrain’s the actual problem. Essentially purchasing athletes from other countries, investing millions on them including turning them into lab rats, then piling pressure on to perform.

https://twitter.com/aiu_athletics/status/1042458911893319681?s=21

Actually I think the more reasonable explanation is that when an East African runner decides to represent another country they will now actually have to deal with constant testing. For example, when these athletes represent other countries, most of them have zero affiliation with the country and basically just represent them. They all continue to train in their original country and nothing really changes except they are tested much more and the testers won’t be corrupted with them.

My point is, unlike the Middle Eastern countries or even Ethiopia, there is zero pressure from the Kenyan state to perform at to a certain level. Kenyans are similar to westerners in that, for athletes, the pressure is all their own usually stemming from good old capitalist ethos. Whether it's greed, need for personal glory, trying to be rich and famous, or looking to pay off a loan shark, it's all down to the individual. The Kenyan government couldn't care less. Not so in those other countries.

Longdistancerunning wrote:

For example, when these athletes represent other countries, most of them have zero affiliation with the country and basically just represent them. They all continue to train in their original country and nothing really changes except they are tested much more and the testers won’t be corrupted with them.

Also, not quite. Ruth Jebet had all sorts of state of the art technical support, including a medical team, available to her that Kenyan athletes don't. Bahrain and Qatar are literally investing in the athlete and they expect returns.

I can't believe this isn't being mentioned while the busting of the #167 Kenyan marathoner was headline news.