Are you kidding me? Every woman who started the women's steeple and 5k at NACACs medalled?

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rojo

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1 year ago 08/10/2018 9:28pm CDT

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Could this possibly be true or is the timing company for some reason only listing the medallists (but in other events they are showing more than 3)?

I mean how could the host Canada not enter anyone at home in the women's steeple as they have 7 women who have broken 10:00 this year. But I don't see any DNSs in the results. Were there really only 3 entrants in both events?

What a joke.

Event 19 Women 3000 M Steeplechase
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Sponsor: PIZZA PIZZA
AR: A 9:00.85 7/20/2018 Courtney FRERICHS, USA
CR: C 9:56.75 8/8/2015 Ashley HIGGINSON, USA
Stadium: S 10:13.04 2010 Dana BUCHANAN, Speed River
Comp# Name Age Team Final
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Final
1 #1355 Mel Lawrence 28 United States 9:45.36C
41.521 (41.521) 1:58.506 (1:16.985) 3:17.752 (1:19.246)
4:37.891 (1:20.139) 5:56.532 (1:18.641) 7:12.957 (1:16.425)
8:30.299 (1:17.342) 9:45.360 (1:15.062)
2 #1362 Emily Oren 24 United States 9:56.66C
41.808 (41.808) 1:58.821 (1:17.013) 3:17.511 (1:18.690)
4:37.569 (1:20.058) 5:57.004 (1:19.435) 7:16.447 (1:19.443)
8:37.432 (1:20.985) 9:56.657 (1:19.226)
3 #1373 Megan Rolland 29 United States 9:59.85S
41.637 (41.637) 1:58.526 (1:16.889) 3:17.906 (1:19.380)
4:37.514 (1:19.608) 5:57.302 (1:19.788) 7:17.163 (1:19.861)
8:39.308 (1:22.145) 9:59.846 (1:20.539)

Event 11 Women 5000 M
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Sponsor: PERFORMANCE AUTO GROUP
AR: A 14:34.45 7/21/2018 Shelby HOULIHAN, USA
CR: C 16:24.86 8/8/2015 Kellyn TAYLOR, USA
Stadium: S 15:50.35 2009 Tara QUINN-SMITH, Brooks M
Comp# Name Age Team Final
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Final
1 #1375 Rachel Schneider 27 United States 15:26.19S
37.614 (37.614) 1:50.762 (1:13.148) 3:03.995 (1:13.233)
4:16.954 (1:12.959) 5:30.400 (1:13.446) 6:43.654 (1:13.254)
7:58.169 (1:14.515) 9:13.467 (1:15.298) 10:30.157 (1:16.690)
11:47.721 (1:17.564) 13:06.170 (1:18.449) 14:17.572 (1:11.402)
15:26.189 (1:08.617)
2 #1365 Lauren Paquette 32 United States 15:39.40S
37.055 (37.055) 1:50.184 (1:13.129) 3:03.364 (1:13.180)
4:16.485 (1:13.121) 5:29.692 (1:13.207) 6:43.369 (1:13.677)
7:58.097 (1:14.728) 9:13.119 (1:15.022) 10:30.002 (1:16.883)
11:47.662 (1:17.660) 13:06.118 (1:18.456) 14:22.859 (1:16.741)
15:39.395 (1:16.536)
3 #1075 Kate Van Buskirk 31 Canada 15:50.35S
37.387 (37.387) 1:50.579 (1:13.192) 3:03.703 (1:13.124)
4:16.893 (1:13.190) 5:30.074 (1:13.181) 6:43.919 (1:13.845)
7:58.603 (1:14.684) 9:15.075 (1:16.472) 10:34.196 (1:19.121)
11:54.472 (1:20.276) 13:15.993 (1:21.521) 14:35.230 (1:19.237)
15:50.350 (1:15.120)

If there were only 3 entrants, congrats to Team USA for sweeping the women's steeple. I only wish though that they had let my non-running 72 year old mother walk the race so she could pick up her first international medal.

Results site is here:

http://results.deltatiming.com/nacac/2018-nacac-championships#2018-08-10
rojo

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1 year ago 08/10/2018 9:32pm CDT
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I have found a tweet of Van Buskirk celebrating her bronze. It would be bizarre she'd celebrate a last place finish right?

https://twitter.com/AthleticsCanada/status/1028097161505005568

But then why wouldn't deltatiming show more than 3 people in the results?
rojo

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1 year ago 08/10/2018 9:46pm CDT
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rojo wrote:

I have found a tweet of Van Buskirk celebrating her bronze. It would be bizarre she'd celebrate a last place finish right?

But then why wouldn't deltatiming show more than 3 people in the results?

Apparently she was celebrating beating no one.

https://twitter.com/JarredCornfield/status/1028107606437425152
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1 year ago 08/10/2018 9:48pm CDT
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Wow
rojo

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US men sweep the 10k.

1 #1407 Lopez Lomong 33 United States 29:49.03
2 #1405 Elkanah Kibet 35 United States 29:51.37
3 #1394 Reed Fischer 23 United States 29:53.63

Event 14 Men 10000 M
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Sponsor: TORONTO TOURISM
AR: A 26:44.36 5/30/2014 Galen RUPP, USA
Stadium: S 28:49.25 2010 Simon BAIRU, Queen City St
Comp# Name Age Team Final
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Final
1 #1407 Lopez Lomong 33 United States 29:49.03
1:19.725 (1:19.725) 2:36.671 (1:16.946) 3:53.403 (1:16.732)
5:06.356 (1:12.953) 6:18.510 (1:12.154) 7:29.416 (1:10.906)
8:35.197 (1:05.781) 9:42.452 (1:07.255) 10:50.434 (1:07.982)
12:05.631 (1:15.197) 13:19.846 (1:14.215) 14:33.705 (1:13.859)
15:46.774 (1:13.069) 16:59.501 (1:12.727) 18:13.066 (1:13.565)
19:27.049 (1:13.983) 20:39.637 (1:12.588) 21:49.114 (1:09.477)
22:56.992 (1:07.878) 24:07.350 (1:10.358) 25:18.181 (1:10.831)
26:31.399 (1:13.218) 27:43.088 (1:11.689) 28:53.044 (1:09.956)
2 #1405 Elkanah Kibet 35 United States 29:51.37
1:19.404 (1:19.404) 2:36.377 (1:16.973) 3:53.083 (1:16.706)
5:06.122 (1:13.039) 6:18.273 (1:12.151) 7:28.240 (1:09.967)
8:34.830 (1:06.590) 9:42.143 (1:07.313) 10:50.192 (1:08.049)
12:05.750 (1:15.558) 13:19.936 (1:14.186) 14:33.395 (1:13.459)
15:46.276 (1:12.881) 16:59.113 (1:12.837) 18:12.729 (1:13.616)
19:26.643 (1:13.914) 20:39.411 (1:12.768) 21:48.891 (1:09.480)
22:56.814 (1:07.923) 24:07.241 (1:10.427) 25:17.557 (1:10.316)
26:30.997 (1:13.440) 27:42.988 (1:11.991) 28:53.130 (1:10.142)
29:51.364 (58.234)

3 #1394 Reed Fischer 23 United States 29:53.63
1:19.401 (1:19.401) 2:36.042 (1:16.641) 3:52.788 (1:16.746)
5:06.028 (1:13.240) 6:18.100 (1:12.072) 7:29.208 (1:11.108)
8:35.697 (1:06.489) 9:42.699 (1:07.002) 10:50.710 (1:08.011)
12:05.864 (1:15.154) 13:20.100 (1:14.236) 14:33.671 (1:13.571)
15:46.621 (1:12.950) 16:59.315 (1:12.694) 18:12.863 (1:13.548)
19:26.838 (1:13.975) 20:39.762 (1:12.924) 21:48.688 (1:08.926)
22:56.651 (1:07.963) 24:07.189 (1:10.538) 25:18.234 (1:11.045)
26:31.281 (1:13.047) 27:43.294 (1:12.013) 28:53.436 (1:10.142)
29:53.627 (1:00.191)

4 #1105 Sergio Raez Villan 21 Canada 30:20.31
1:18.998 (1:18.998) 2:35.493 (1:16.495) 3:52.353 (1:16.860)
5:05.673 (1:13.320) 6:17.889 (1:12.216) 7:28.930 (1:11.041)
8:35.317 (1:06.387) 9:42.857 (1:07.540) 10:50.912 (1:08.055)
12:05.155 (1:14.243) 13:19.602 (1:14.447) 14:32.966 (1:13.364)
15:45.972 (1:13.006) 16:58.529 (1:12.557) 18:12.580 (1:14.051)
19:26.468 (1:13.888) 20:39.851 (1:13.383) ()
21:49.74 () () ()
26:41.518 () 27:56.213 (1:14.695) 29:10.507 (1:14.294)
30:20.309 (1:09.802)
-- #1264 Yasser Fernando Re 31 Nicaragua DNS
rojo

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1 year ago 08/10/2018 9:49pm CDT
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Why wouldn't Canada enter a steepler when they had 7 who could have medalled?

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1 year ago 08/10/2018 10:02pm CDT
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Say it ain’t so, Kate! I’m going to go out on a limb and predict a USA sweep in men’s steeple.
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1 year ago 08/10/2018 10:40pm CDT
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WTF is NACAC?
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1 year ago 08/10/2018 10:56pm CDT
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what timing sites do or do not show is one of the enduring mysteries of the universe. take, for example, the European Championships currently taking place in Berlin. if the official results website is to be believed, nine of the men in the semi-final of the men's 400m, including the eventual winner of the final, didn't even run in the first round.

cheers.
http://www.european-athletics.org/competitions/european-athletics-championships/2018/athletics/event/mens-400m/phase=atm004200/index.html
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1 year ago 08/10/2018 11:46pm CDT
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Cottonshirt wrote:

what timing sites do or do not show is one of the enduring mysteries of the universe. take, for example, the European Championships currently taking place in Berlin. if the official results website is to be believed, nine of the men in the semi-final of the men's 400m, including the eventual winner of the final, didn't even run in the first round.

cheers.
http://www.european-athletics.org/competitions/european-athletics-championships/2018/athletics/event/mens-400m/phase=atm004200/index.html

Except, they actually didn't run the first round, they had byes. You can see this by clicking start list, or by noticing they advanced 15 from the first round, but 24 ran in the semis.

The NACAC meet is a small meet in a few events. Some are solid, some are not. I saw this meet in San Antonio in 2002 and was disappointed at how weak some events were. Delta Timing uses a re-skinned Hy-Tek MM results setup, what you see is what you get.
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1 year ago 08/11/2018 12:00am CDT
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rojo wrote:

Why wouldn't Canada enter a steepler when they had 7 who could have medalled?

Because AC doesn't much care about NACAC.
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rojo wrote:

Why wouldn't Canada enter a steepler when they had 7 who could have medalled?

You seem to not be grasping that this meet is essentially meaningless. Hence why 30 or so countries are officially participants, yet half the events have only 3 to 5 competitors.

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randomcoach wrote:

rojo wrote:

Why wouldn't Canada enter a steepler when they had 7 who could have medalled?

Because AC doesn't much care about NACAC.

Why doesn't Athletics Canada let the athletes decide if it's important to them? Surely someone would be willing to pay their own way.
Here's the why

1 year ago 08/11/2018 1:11am CDT
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Medals = participation trophies
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1 year ago 08/11/2018 2:04am CDT
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Looks like there will be only 3 men’s steeple (all Americans) too!
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1 year ago 08/11/2018 3:52am CDT
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You can see this by clicking start list, or by noticing they advanced 15 from the first round, but 24 ran in the semis.

there is nothing in those start lists to suggest that anyone had a bye. much less 9 men.

I noticed the numerical discrepancy (15 qualified yet 24 in the 2nd round) but unlike you I assumed it means that the results of three heats are missing. the numbers support this: qualification is "First 3 in each heat (Q) and the next 3 fastest (q) advance to the Semi-Finals." since the number of men in the semi final round is 24, that's 21 Qualifiers from 7 heats, and 3 fastest losers. yet the results are only showing 4 heats, therefore there are three heats missing from the results. this makes more sense to me than that 9 men had byes into the 2nd round. 9 men is more than a first round heat. there is zero chance nine men had byes.

for 9 men to get a bye into the 2nd round would be absolutely unprecedented in track and field. very occasionally one person gets a bye, sometimes 2 but nine men, the other athletes would revolt. it would also mean that five of the finalists only ran two rounds because Matthew Hudson-Smith, Karol Zalewski, Karsten Warholm, Luka Janezic, and Oscar Husillos all, according to you, had byes in the first round.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to come up with something more convincing than "look at the start lists."

cheers.
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1 year ago 08/11/2018 7:55am CDT
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What is the NACAC
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1 year ago 08/11/2018 8:36am CDT
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NACAC = North American, Central American and Caribbean Championships
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Cottonshirt wrote:

You can see this by clicking start list, or by noticing they advanced 15 from the first round, but 24 ran in the semis.

there is nothing in those start lists to suggest that anyone had a bye. much less 9 men.

I noticed the numerical discrepancy (15 qualified yet 24 in the 2nd round) but unlike you I assumed it means that the results of three heats are missing. the numbers support this: qualification is "First 3 in each heat (Q) and the next 3 fastest (q) advance to the Semi-Finals." since the number of men in the semi final round is 24, that's 21 Qualifiers from 7 heats, and 3 fastest losers. yet the results are only showing 4 heats, therefore there are three heats missing from the results. this makes more sense to me than that 9 men had byes into the 2nd round. 9 men is more than a first round heat. there is zero chance nine men had byes.

for 9 men to get a bye into the 2nd round would be absolutely unprecedented in track and field. very occasionally one person gets a bye, sometimes 2 but nine men, the other athletes would revolt. it would also mean that five of the finalists only ran two rounds because Matthew Hudson-Smith, Karol Zalewski, Karsten Warholm, Luka Janezic, and Oscar Husillos all, according to you, had byes in the first round.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to come up with something more convincing than "look at the start lists."

cheers.

http://www.european-athletics.org/mm/Document/EventsMeetings/General/01/28/47/61/ECH2018-SprintEvents-ListofqualifiedathletesinSF_English.pdf

Dude it's literally right in front of your face.
rojo

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1 year ago 08/11/2018 8:47am CDT
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1. There were byes at Euros. I heard it talked about elsewhere.

2. NACAC - Is North American, Central American and Carribean Athletics Association. Now what even I don't know is who can go to this meet and not the Pan AMs, how does the eligibility different? My theory is all of these meets should merge into one super meet.

3. No one has explained to me why Canada didn't enter anyone in the women's steeple. Someone said AC doesnt care about NACACs. I don't believe that since they are HOSTING it.