Insights into her training. Some solid Harry Potter discussion. Thoughts about the AR in the 5k. And yet another pro who tries to stay off of LRC. Why is that??? She responded directly to the doping thread after she dropped her 3:57. Pretty great talking about pounding two beers when doping control paid a visit to her place.
Houlihan is clean. An incredibly dedicated athlete.
I think she has a legitimate shot at Muir's 3:55 clean 1500 WR, though Nozomi MF'ing Tanaka is on the road to 3:53 potential.
I think Houlihan will also run 1:55 and 14:30.
Great episode! Chris Chavez has been producing some really high caliber content on the Citius Mag network.
I knew that question was coming at the very end and I was glad she addressed that letsrun post. Shelby was also on Woody Kincaid's podcast "price of a mile". She's a class act and funny! I'm glad for her recent success.
57:40 for those interested in the letsrun comment
NERunner053 wrote:
Some solid Harry Potter discussion.
No such thing. Cringe.
Phantasy Star wrote:
Houlihan is clean. An incredibly dedicated athlete.
I think she has a legitimate shot at Muir's 3:55 clean 1500 WR, though Nozomi MF'ing Tanaka is on the road to 3:53 potential.
I think Houlihan will also run 1:55 and 14:30.
I’m gonna start by saying I don’t think 3:55 is out of Houlihan’s range. Her Lausanne race was incredible.
Two issues with your post. To think that Tanaka has 3:53 ability is absolutely insane. Yes, she ran extremely well at world juniors. I would not say low 4:00s is out if the question depending on how much speed she has. But to suggest 3:53 would mean that she would destroy Houlihan, Muir, Hassan, Kilyegon, Semenya, peak Rowbury and Simpson and many others. Heck your suggesting that she would stay close to peak Dibaba. Let’s compare 3,000 times. Tanaka’s 8:54 was a pb. Let’s give her high 8:40s in optimal conditions considering good pacing and that she was front running at Worlds. That is still about 10 seconds off of Houlihans 8:37 from Monaco. Add in that Houlihan is pretty speed based for a 3,000 and I think its crazy to suggest Tanaka can pull out a 3:53.
Second issue is your estimate of Houlihans ability. 14:30 is a stretch in my opinion. That is saying she’s over 10 seconds faster than a prime Huddle. Rowburys AR is very possible, but I doubt Houlihan will smash it by THAT much. While nobody here knows her true 800m potential considering she hasn’t ran it since her breakthrough, I think 1:55 is crazy. Can she break 2:00? Of course. Can she beat Rodgers, Brown, and Lipsey? Maybe? 1:57? Possible. To say she can run 1:55 means that she is on Ajee Wilson and Francine Nyonsaba’s level. I think that would be a pretty far stretch, but remember that we haven’t seen her run one in a while.
It does not make someone a troll because they question the validity of her performance. 3:57 put her in a different class of athlete; the class of athlete where no matter who you are you WILL be questioned. It comes with the territory. Any elite athlete who thinks a thread is "mean" because their performance is questioned has a severe lack of understanding of the sport. I would go so far as to say they have an inept manager as well if they think saying "i'm definitely clean, so hopefully that will put the rumors to rest" makes any sense.
Shelby, if you're reading this you've got to realize what you can do as an athlete is going to be very difficult to understand for 99.999% of us simply because we can't ever do what you've done. We don't have the tools physically or mentally to be world class. That doesn't mean we don't believe in you if we are questioning your performance. Speaking for myself, I wish you would break down some barriers and let us know what changed in your life that may have led to that breakthrough. Not in regards to training, but in your life outside of running. Are you sleeping more? Eating different? Relationship at a high point so life feels easy? There's always a reason people make big jumps in racing. Attributing it to better training is often an easy, but way too obvious explanation. What made the training better so that the racing could be better?
That is something I wish reporters would address different because it's not an attack on someone's personal character to question their performance. It's simply saying "hey, a LOT of people have cheated in the past and that rubs fans the wrong way. Could you tell us how this breakthrough happened so we can get behind you?"
I’m still not buying it, I have yet to see any athlete voluntarily cop to using PEDs, they all deny deny deny, and ascribe their big breakthroughs to hard work, better training, nutrition, etc etc etc. Even if they do fail a test (and most are too far ahead of the testers to ever do that), it is still deny deny deny. It’s just how they’re wired, But hey, most if not all of her global competitors are either doing the same, or have an intersex advantage, so I wish her well.
Does she talk about farts at any point in the video? Asking for a friend. ..
Phantasy Star wrote:
I think she has a legitimate shot at Muir's 3:55 clean 1500 WR
White people are clean - obviously.
Macdaddy wrote:
Phantasy Star wrote:
I think she has a legitimate shot at Muir's 3:55 clean 1500 WR
White people are clean - obviously.
What's Makhloufi, white or black?
I flat out don’t believe she is clean.
Change in appearance , demeanor and aura.
Rick Sanchez wrote:
Does she talk about farts at any point in the video? Asking for a friend. ..
LOL U R dirty
I mean when people are comparing her to a bodybuilder, it's hard to take any thoughts about potential doping seriously.
No need to apologize wrote:
Rick Sanchez wrote:
Does she talk about farts at any point in the video? Asking for a friend. ..
LOL U R dirty
Not me. My friend.
https://mobile.twitter.com/steeple_squigs/status/881492665522679808Rick Sanchez wrote:
No need to apologize wrote:
LOL U R dirty
Not me. My friend.
https://mobile.twitter.com/steeple_squigs/status/881492665522679808
Quigley went low for that one.
Not drinking kool-aid wrote:
It does not make someone a troll because they question the validity of her performance. 3:57 put her in a different class of athlete; the class of athlete where no matter who you are you WILL be questioned. It comes with the territory. Any elite athlete who thinks a thread is "mean" because their performance is questioned has a severe lack of understanding of the sport. I would go so far as to say they have an inept manager as well if they think saying "i'm definitely clean, so hopefully that will put the rumors to rest" makes any sense.
Shelby, if you're reading this you've got to realize what you can do as an athlete is going to be very difficult to understand for 99.999% of us simply because we can't ever do what you've done. We don't have the tools physically or mentally to be world class. That doesn't mean we don't believe in you if we are questioning your performance. Speaking for myself, I wish you would break down some barriers and let us know what changed in your life that may have led to that breakthrough. Not in regards to training, but in your life outside of running. Are you sleeping more? Eating different? Relationship at a high point so life feels easy? There's always a reason people make big jumps in racing. Attributing it to better training is often an easy, but way too obvious explanation. What made the training better so that the racing could be better?
That is something I wish reporters would address different because it's not an attack on someone's personal character to question their performance. It's simply saying "hey, a LOT of people have cheated in the past and that rubs fans the wrong way. Could you tell us how this breakthrough happened so we can get behind you?"
Very intelligent post here.
I'll say that I would be absolutely shocked if it came out that Shelby Houlihan is doping.
But for anyone to claim definitively that "Athlete X is definitely not doping" is ludicrous. The only person who can truly know whether an athlete is doping or not is the athlete themselves.
As for why Houlihan has made a breakthrough this year, she has been asked about it numerous times and has always answered the same way: she has been in Schumacher's system for three years now, has continually worked to build her endurance, and has basically never been injured. Add in her incredible natural speed (remember, she ran 55.xx to win the Iowa state meet as a high schooler) and I can absolutely believe she's doing it clean.
And it's not as if she was some spare before 2018. Remember, she made the USA 800 final as a junior in college in 2014 (same year she won NCAAs in the 1500 with a savage kick), made the Olympic team in 2016, and beat out Molly Huddle and Shannon Rowbury to win USAs in the 5k last year.
Phantasy Star wrote:
Houlihan is clean. An incredibly dedicated athlete.
I think she has a legitimate shot at Muir's 3:55 clean 1500 WR, though Nozomi MF'ing Tanaka is on the road to 3:53 potential.
I think Houlihan will also run 1:55 and 14:30.
Nice, but absurd phantasies, Phantasy Star. All of them!
Jonathan Gault wrote:
I'll say that I would be absolutely shocked if it came out that Shelby Houlihan is doping.
I would be very surprised if any of the sub-4 ladies would not be doping. Such a talent could then easily break the WR with EPO, blood transfusions, HGH and steroids while doping literally risk-free.
Who could abstain from such a temptation, while seeing less talented cheats beating her?