Official Mary Cain's returning to racing discussion thread - Her 3k is today (July 16th)

go mary wrote:

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She's a big draw, for sure. She's wise to not jump right into DL meets, but I wouldn't be surprised to see her jump into one or two before this year is up.

I'm a British fan of Mary but sorry, she's only a big draw in the US.

And unless she can get down to 4:04/4:05 shape in a month's time it would make no sense for her to run DLs. What good would it do her if she was nearly the length of the home straight behind the winner? There's plenty of good European meetings that would be entirely more appropriate for her probable level ATM. Even maybe a World Challenge meeting like Zagreb at the beginning of September?

sketchy salazar wrote:

Predictor wrote:

10 minutes for 3200 converts to 9:20. So he is correct that 40 seconds is a good rule of thumb for girls. 9 minutes converts to 8:24 so 36 seconds for boys.

According to whom?

Jack Daniels. If you want to add or subtract more or less that’s great but either way you’d be talking about a couple second difference which in this context is irrelevant.

uhhhhhhh tuohy ran 9:05 soooooooo WORONG

Survey says... wrote:

sketchy salazar wrote:

According to whom?

Jack Daniels. If you want to add or subtract more or less that’s great but either way you’d be talking about a couple second difference which in this context is irrelevant.

It is patently false to think a 9:20 3k is only worth a 10:00 3200m. You don't go from averaging 37.33s for 15 200s to running a 40 by adding one more.

sketchy salazar wrote:

Survey says... wrote:

Jack Daniels. If you want to add or subtract more or less that’s great but either way you’d be talking about a couple second difference which in this context is irrelevant.

It is patently false to think a 9:20 3k is only worth a 10:00 3200m. You don't go from averaging 37.33s for 15 200s to running a 40 by adding one more.

Tell that to Jack Daniels. Anyway, you'd be lucky to run another 40 after giving everything you've got that first 3000 and then being told you actually have another 200 to go. Lets say you are a magician and can somehow still add another 37.33. Big fn deal. So subtract 37.33 seconds from the times listed. And then blow yourself with that extra 2.67 seconds you got leftover.

I was thinking there would either be a 1500 or a 3000 or a 5000, and giving her a lane is justified as she is a HUGE draw, her name alone brings fans and gets people talking just look at how many threads on here there were when she was running and even when not running.

LOL. Is Monaco in the US now? No one outside America knows who she is.

I have almost forgotten who she is. Young fans in the US don’t know her. Only a few people outside of the die hard middle aged US fans remember her. People like Muir will feel bad competing against her at this point.

One year past peak form, she was probably in sub 8:50 shape (she ran 8:58 in a tactical race at world junior), which would have put her in the mix for a spot at Monaco if they cared about age. At 17, with 1:59.5/4:04, she was very much in the mix for a sub 4 in a fast paced race, which she never got in. It would be great if she were to get in that kind of shape again.

maybe just maybe? wrote:

sketchy salazar wrote:

It is patently false to think a 9:20 3k is only worth a 10:00 3200m. You don't go from averaging 37.33s for 15 200s to running a 40 by adding one more.

Tell that to Jack Daniels. Anyway, you'd be lucky to run another 40 after giving everything you've got that first 3000 and then being told you actually have another 200 to go. Lets say you are a magician and can somehow still add another 37.33. Big fn deal. So subtract 37.33 seconds from the times listed. And then blow yourself with that extra 2.67 seconds you got leftover.

big green book

7;24.4

7;57.2

8;00.0

7;52.2

8'27.1

8;30.0

8;20.0

8;56.9

9;00.0

8;47.8

9;32.7

9;30.0

9;15.6

9;56.5

10;00.0

9;43.3

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10;30.0

10;11.1

10;56.2

11;00.0

10;38.9

11;26.0

11;30.0

11;06.7

11;55.8

12;00.0

sketchy salazar wrote:

Survey says... wrote:

Jack Daniels. If you want to add or subtract more or less that’s great but either way you’d be talking about a couple second difference which in this context is irrelevant.

It is patently false to think a 9:20 3k is only worth a 10:00 3200m. You don't go from averaging 37.33s for 15 200s to running a 40 by adding one more.

yeah you do....

Predictor wrote:

People like Muir will feel bad competing against her at this point.

I wonder what people like Muir or Houlihan think about Cain at this point. Houlihan and Cain ran their first grown-up nationals in 2013 at Drake. Houlihan was 20, competing on her home track. She ran the 800, and finished next-to-ast in the semis. Cain was 17. She finished 2nd in the 1500 finals, ahead of Rowbury and Uceny. Cain finished 9th in Moscow at Worlds that year; Houlihan was 7th in the NCAA finals.

The next year, Houlihan won the 1500 at NCAAs, and was 7th in the final of the 800 at Nationals. Cain won the 1500 at US Indoors, and once again was 2nd in the 1500 at Nationals, She also won the 3000 at the US and World Juniors.

Houlihan was 21, Cain was 18. It wasn't hard to see who had the brighter future.

This is awesome! Mary Cain seems to have that Alan Webb magic on letsrun. By simply entering a race, she fills our hearts with optimism and keeps us glued to the front page. Win, lose, or anything in between... we’re just happy to have her back! German Fernandez sighting incoming?

We are all hoping for a great return. If she runs a few slow races though,, she will fade out of the LetsRun front page.

douglas burke wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

Darn, I was hoping she would run Monaco next week

Just looked up Monaco does not have a 1500 or 3000 or 5000 only an 800 which is not her best event, I guess that is why she is not running.

https://monaco.diamondleague.com/programme-resultats-monaco/

You have to be kidding me, even if they had a 1500 or 3k,Mary has not shown fitness to compete in a diamond league meet.

She will have race a couple of meets or more and show fitness and be competitive.

Full field is up for the Cork women's 3000, this should be a good one. Notably Emily Sisson and Sarah Pagano are also in:

Sport Ireland 3000m WOMEN

ATHLETE COUNTRY PB SB

Genevieve LaCaze AUS 8.52.28 9.22.82

Elinor Purrier USA 8.55.68i 8.55.68i

Linn Nilsson SWE 8.57.89 8.57.89

Melissa Duncan AUS 8.58.14 9.07.18

Mary Cain USA 8.58.48

Charlotte Arter GBR 8.58.48

Sarah Pagano USA 8.58.91 8.58.42

Emily Sisson USA 9.01.02 9.01.02

Marta Freitas POR 9.03.18 9.03.18

Camille Buscomb NZL 9.05.24

Sakiho Tsutsui JPN 9.07.43

Kasumi Nishihara JPN 9.08.50

Andrea Seccafien CAN 9.11.06 9.11.06

Claire Duck GBR 9.11.26

Michelle Finn IRL 9.19.34

It looks like she's still the youngster. I wouldn't be surprised if she also has the oldest PB.

What a story.

Mary will also be racing the 3000 at the Savo Games in Lapinlahti, Finland on July 28th:

3000m

Melissa Duncan AUS 8.58,14/9.07,18

Mary Cain USA 8.58,48/-

Camilla Richardsson VasaIS 9.03,84/9.03,84

Camille Buscomb NZL 9.05,24/-

Andrea Seccafien CAN 9.11,06/9.11,06

Victoria Gyurkes HUN 9.17,97/-

Natalie Tanner GER 9.53,77/-

Ayla Granados/Tori Tsolis USA PACE

It's still a couple of weeks away so the field might fill out a bit.

Entry lists at

http://www.motonetgp.fi/en/node/191

Even if she doesn't win she can admire the view of what must be one of the most beautiful settings for a stadium anywhere:

http://www.motonetgp.fi/sites/default/files/inline-images/valioareena.jpg

PS The Lapinlahti meeting is always televised so there will be a live stream accessible at https://www.firstonetv.net/Live/Finland/Yle-TV2-(YLE-TV-Kaksi)-3

I'm rooting for a comeback. She's got enthusiasm, and is not like most cookie-cutter slightly boring female distance runners. Not naming names.

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