SDSU Aztec wrote:
From the mugshot, the guy looks like a real douche. Is there anyone on LR that would do the same thing he did?
Homeless , of course, is a big problem, but random cruelty is not acceptable.
I doesn’t not appear to be random, but rather specific and targeted.
Cruel is debatable.
old guy 72 wrote:
The jogger is a jerk. I can almost see him thinking, "If no one else is going to put a stop to this, I will."
What if we all had that attitude? There would be total chaos and lawlessness. Personally, I can't stand the way most people drive (driving slow in the fast lane, not using turn signals etc.), people with kids that scream in restaurants, inconsiderate people drive me nuts. Does that mean I should confront everyone who irritates me?
The jogger was basically taking the law into his own hands and most of you are supporting him. This really has become Trump's America.
Move to Canada, then, or better yet the socialist utopia of Venezuela. You'll be happier there you old fart.
MurderDub wrote:
I see homeless people attack each other all the time.
You need a better hobby.
Longduckdong wrote:
Man, so the guy was arrested and is being held on $100K bail? Our society is f'd up ... now ole jogger joe will lose his job and have to setup camp right next to the homeless bum. We shoulda been thanking jogger joe.
That is exactly what jogger joe deserves. The homeless guy wasn't bothering him and his stuff wasn't on the path.
intenserunner wrote:
Is it not illegal to throw garbage in a lake?
It is illegal to destroy someone's property.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
Technically you can’t be arrested for stealing the homeless man’s stuff because he has no property. So all his stuff is public access.
Hate to break it to you pal, but property can be found in many forms - it is not just real estate. Yes, the homeless guy had property and yes Jogger Joe stole and vandalized his property.
should b 2 wrote:
sbeefyk2 wrote:
Technically you can’t be arrested for stealing the homeless man’s stuff because he has no property. So all his stuff is public access.
Hate to break it to you pal, but property can be found in many forms - it is not just real estate. Yes, the homeless guy had property and yes Jogger Joe stole and vandalized his property.
Maintaining something as your property requires that you make an effort to keep it in your possession. Leaving something strewn about in a park does not qualify. If I leave my bike ditched in a public place and wander off, I am abandoning it and it is no longer my property. Same idea.
86tyu45 wrote:
I would have pissed on the stuff after dragging it into an open area (not that it wasn't already soaked in urine), splashed gasoline on all of it, then set it ablaze. Maybe the winds would have picked it all up and soaked everyone near in crap and pee before then, who knows.
Regardless, this stuff is garbage, and whoever discarded it in a public place like that should be summoned. If someone claims that was their "home," they need to be examined because they're obviously insane. They should be sent to a mental health treatment center, jail, or prison facility.
Many homeless people are, in fact, mentally ill. And they would indeed be better off getting treatment in a well run mental health facility. Unfortunately, folks like you decided to shut down a huge portion of our nation's mental health facilities.
Sending the mentally ill to jail or prison makes absolutely zero sense to anyone with a brain. But then again, you appear to be lacking in that department.
abandoned property wrote:
should b 2 wrote:
Hate to break it to you pal, but property can be found in many forms - it is not just real estate. Yes, the homeless guy had property and yes Jogger Joe stole and vandalized his property.
Maintaining something as your property requires that you make an effort to keep it in your possession. Leaving something strewn about in a park does not qualify. If I leave my bike ditched in a public place and wander off, I am abandoning it and it is no longer my property. Same idea.
Perhaps you missed the part where a previous poster with direct knowledge of the situation pointed out that this homeless person's belongings were restricted to an area 3 x 6 feet in area. Only to an ignoramus could this be construed as "strewn about in a park".
Now, regarding your bike, it does in fact remain your property. Perhaps if you left it and did not return for six months one might well consider it to be abandoned. But this homeless person slept there with his property every night, thereby rendering the notion of the property being abandoned absurd.
Now, if you would be so kind, you might consider acquiring a brain as part of your personal property. And then, might I suggest that you begin to populate said brain with at least some minimal level of knowledge?
Oaklandish wrote:
This is in Oakland. This jogger guy shouldnt have done this, but holy crap the homeless here are out of control. I run a business in the area and it is constant break ins, climbing on our roof to spray paint, etc. It has become just part of the cost of doing business to replace broken and stolen equipment.
The city is too paralyzed to make them move along, but ironically wont allow you to add razor wire to keep them from climbing your fence and building. Police reports are collected and ignored.
I get that the roots of homelessness go deep, but still... If I tried to expand my belongings out onto the street, I would get a fine.
Maybe instead of building the A's a new stadium, they should make them pay for free housing to be built for homeless to get them off the street.
I honestly appreciate you for running an honest business, thereby making your community stronger. Kudos to you.
I also can appreciate the frustration of having break-ins, graffiti, etc. My hat is off to your perseverance.
The one question that I have is in regards to the connection between homeless people and the "constant break ins, climbing on our roof to spray paint..." What reason do you have to believe that these things are connected? I ask because in my experience the problems that you mention are almost all caused by able-bodied, (sort of) able-minded young "men" who are not at all homeless. Nearly all of the homeless that I have encountered are very low energy, fearful, timid and frankly, mentally ill individuals who would be extraordinarily unlikely to gather up the strength, inclination or gumption to perform the acts of vandalism that you describe.
John Utah wrote:
Being callous and lacking empathy = what disorder? wrote:
I especially love this post - glad you manage to get his frustration whilst enduring such an upsetting experience of having to run around these "vermin" not only on the sidewalks but in Your local park as well. The horror! And I'm sure they're just doing it to annoy you personally - who do they think they are getting in your way...
America. What a country.
If you are American you could make the country better by leaving. You can take a homeless guy with you as well. Thanks
Ha ha, love this in the context of a response to "Being callous and lacking empathy = what disorder"
Maybe we should just euthanize the ones that dude can't take with him eh John Utah ?
oakland runner wrote:
As my user name might suggest, I have familiarity with the situation under discussion.
First, the homeless person whose belongings were thrown into Lake Merritt did not commandeer a meaningful area of public property as some posters have suggested. As of last Sunday, when I ran by him while I was doing laps around the lake, he and his possessions were occupying an area maybe six feet by three feet, which area is in a corner and otherwise unusable.
Second, the "jogger" is not a jogger. The perpetrator has a lengthy criminal record and was not some Lets Run elitist hobbyjogger out doing laps who suddenly decided to clean up the neighborhood by throwing a homeless person's possessions in the lake.
Three, the jogger was arrested for attacking someone filming the scene, not for his actions involving the homeless person's possessions. This is probably due to the fact that tossing the possessions is a misdemeanor whereas attacking someone is a felony.
Whatever one may think about tackling the homeless problem, throwing someone's possessions into the water and then attacking someone filming the event is not appropriate.
Since I was the poster who used the word "commandeer," I think you may be referring to me. The homeless man took over that space by leaving all his stuff there. How is that not commandeering?
Lacking Self Awareness wrote:
John Utah wrote:
If you are American you could make the country better by leaving. You can take a homeless guy with you as well. Thanks
Ha ha, love this in the context of a response to "Being callous and lacking empathy = what disorder"
Maybe we should just euthanize the ones that dude can't take with him eh John Utah ?
We can start by having a few move into your house since you are so caring and loving.
Dennis: I am having feelings again. Like some kind of fourteen year old kid. You remember, feelings right?
Mac: Yeah. I have feelings every single day of my life.
Dennis: Do you?
Mac: Are you saying you don't have feelings?
Dennis: What I'm saying is a built up a shell.. a shell around myself. A cold, calculated shell that couldn't be broken by anything but marriage.
oakland runner wrote:
First, the homeless person whose belongings were thrown into Lake Merritt did not commandeer a meaningful area of public property as some posters have suggested. As of last Sunday, when I ran by him while I was doing laps around the lake, he and his possessions were occupying an area maybe six feet by three feet, which area is in a corner and otherwise unusable.
If I went and set up a small business at the same location occupying the same square footage without permission or permits, I'm guessing that the city wouldn't just say "oh well, he's not bothering anyone." They would chase me off. Are idle people more entitled to public property than productive people?
It's always Sunny in Utah wrote:
Dennis: I am having feelings again. Like some kind of fourteen year old kid. You remember, feelings right?
Mac: Yeah. I have feelings every single day of my life.
Dennis: Do you?
Mac: Are you saying you don't have feelings?
Dennis: What I'm saying is a built up a shell.. a shell around myself. A cold, calculated shell that couldn't be broken by anything but marriage.
The funny thing is that I actually have consistently volunteered at homeless shelters. I’ve cooked, cleaned, worked, funded, etc. it’s nothing special but it’s more than nothing.
Libs tend to think they have helped people by “feeling”or posting something on social media. They feel especially helpful if they post angry things about conservatives.
That, in a nutshell, is the difference between the ideologies.
John Utah wrote:
The funny thing is that I actually have consistently volunteered at homeless shelters. I’ve cooked, cleaned, worked, funded, etc. it’s nothing special but it’s more than nothing.
Libs tend to think they have helped people by “feeling”or posting something on social media. They feel especially helpful if they post angry things about conservatives.
That, in a nutshell, is the difference between the ideologies.
Yep. I work in real estate development. I spent the first three years of my career working for a non-profit that builds affordable housing for low-income individuals and families. I'm now a for-profit developer, but I still often rent commercial space to non-profits at below market rates, and I keep the residential rents at some of my properties lower than market just because I don't want to price out good tenants. I also add community amenities well beyond what is required by zoning just because I think that having a little parklet or plaza can do a lot of good for the neighborhood.
And then I constantly get called greedy by a bunch of 20-year-old college kids whose own charity consists of sharing shit on Facebook...
I don't understand what this conservative ideology you're talking about is - you told that guy to get out of the country and take the homeless with him but never mind that because you've helped out a homeless shelter (even though you don't really like to talk about your charity work!).
So what is this ideology? Is it that you can make vile comments about the homeless as long as you've also helped out with the homeless? And that would be a straight down the line all American conservatives would be doing that whilst all American liberals would be spouting off on social media?
Is that really the American mindset, you're one or the other?!
John Utah wrote:
It's always Sunny in Utah wrote:
Dennis: I am having feelings again. Like some kind of fourteen year old kid. You remember, feelings right?
Mac: Yeah. I have feelings every single day of my life.
Dennis: Do you?
Mac: Are you saying you don't have feelings?
Dennis: What I'm saying is a built up a shell.. a shell around myself. A cold, calculated shell that couldn't be broken by anything but marriage.
The funny thing is that I actually have consistently volunteered at homeless shelters. I’ve cooked, cleaned, worked, funded, etc. it’s nothing special but it’s more than nothing.
Libs tend to think they have helped people by “feeling”or posting something on social media. They feel especially helpful if they post angry things about conservatives.
That, in a nutshell, is the difference between the ideologies.
Many liberal people spend substantially more time improving their community than you do. You’re incredibly biased to claim thay liberals only help by “feeling” or posting on social media. What a bizarrely counterproductive attitude to actually make a positive influence. Just because someone thinks differently than you doesn’t mean they’re not making a positive impact on their community.
Throwing trash in a lake is worse than trash strew about. Of course we’re talking about Oakland so WGAF. Town is full of crackheads.
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