NYTimes article on TUOHY and other FEMALE H.S. PHENOMS

JFC I misspelled her name. Crap.

Interesting read. Take home message for all young female athletes;

Even more dangerous, she added, is the message young women get when they are encouraged to fight to regain their high school physiques. “We want them to embrace being in a strong woman’s body.”

This is pay=walled: would someone print it.

Look it's not a surprise that phenoms just can't sustain things and it's more mental than physical. You go from racing immature physically inferior talent to a collection of future Olympians from various national programs, in college.

It's well hard for them and maybe they over-train and get fatigued . Pretty soon they start wondering if it's all worth it....

Most of these kids are academic oriented and want a social life as well, so there's that.

McClintock wrote:

This is pay=walled: would someone print it.

Look it's not a surprise that phenoms just can't sustain things and it's more mental than physical. You go from racing immature physically inferior talent to a collection of future Olympians from various national programs, in college.

It's well hard for them and maybe they over-train and get fatigued . Pretty soon they start wondering if it's all worth it....

Most of these kids are academic oriented and want a social life as well, so there's that.

Yet boys have the same hurdles and their JR performances are a better (far from perfect but better) predictor of future success. If anything, JR girls tend to be more mature from a mental standpoint.

No it is physical - boys do not change nearly as much in specific ways that can impair running. Your typical female prodigy is a waif with no hips and no body fat - not anything like a typical adult. Your typical boy prodigy tends to look far more mature than his peers and in that way resembles a mature male. One of these two has a much greater chance of changing as they age.

However, what you say is true for both sexes and helps explain why great HS runners of all types sometime do not continue to improve in college but it is not gender biased.

ah leave her alone. let her be a kid, and see what she does in the future. Also Mary Cain is still just 21. She has time to build a career.

kibitzer wrote:

"[S]ince 1980, just one female winner of the Foot Locker National Cross Country Championships has made an Olympic team, compared with seven male high school champions. Just four have won an individual N.C.A.A. championship, but none of those were in cross-country."

Looks like someone forgot about Molly Siedel breaking the FL curse just three years ago. I sent them a brief correction on that but the sentiment is correct. It was a nice article, but I feel like it was too ambiguous about implicating Salazar, who really has nothing at all to do with Tuohy. And I think a nice counter-example would be Jordan Hasay, who many theorized would break the FL curse, and then fizzled out after college only to eventually return full-force in the marathon. It would be nice to see more of those types of career progressions.

Look it's not a surprise that phenoms just can't sustain things and it's more mental than physical. You go from racing immature physically inferior talent to a collection of future Olympians from various national programs, in college.

It's well hard for them and maybe they over-train and get fatigued . Pretty soon they start wondering if it's all worth it....

Most of these kids are academic oriented and want a social life as well, so there's that.[/quote]

As noted, no, it's not more mental than physical. If anything, females blow their male counterparts away when it comes to mental 'toughness'. The more mentally grueling the race, the better adjusted performance by females.

kmaclam wrote:

Look it's not a surprise that phenoms just can't sustain things and it's more mental than physical. You go from racing immature physically inferior talent to a collection of future Olympians from various national programs, in college.

It's well hard for them and maybe they over-train and get fatigued . Pretty soon they start wondering if it's all worth it....

Most of these kids are academic oriented and want a social life as well, so there's that.

As noted, no, it's not more mental than physical. If anything, females blow their male counterparts away when it comes to mental 'toughness'. The more mentally grueling the race, the better adjusted performance by females.[/quote]

Which is why 90% of females fall over at the finish line at NCAA Nationals XC every year. It's definitely because they are so tough.

jus sayin wrote:

kmaclam wrote:

Look it's not a surprise that phenoms just can't sustain things and it's more mental than physical. You go from racing immature physically inferior talent to a collection of future Olympians from various national programs, in college.

It's well hard for them and maybe they over-train and get fatigued . Pretty soon they start wondering if it's all worth it....

Most of these kids are academic oriented and want a social life as well, so there's that.

As noted, no, it's not more mental than physical. If anything, females blow their male counterparts away when it comes to mental 'toughness'. The more mentally grueling the race, the better adjusted performance by females.

Which is why 90% of females fall over at the finish line at NCAA Nationals XC every year. It's definitely because they are so tough.[/quote]

Maybe that's because they get more out of their bodies than the men? I see your point but your conclusion is far from the only one to make about that.

jus sayin wrote:

Which is why 90% of females fall over at the finish line at NCAA Nationals XC every year. It's definitely because they are so tough.

Wasn't there a physiological reason for this released recently? Something about women's blood pressure not as quick to bounce back as men's? Has nothing to do with mental toughness and everything to do with simple physiology.

kibitzer wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/sports/katelyn-tuohy.html

"[S]ince 1980, just one female winner of the Foot Locker National Cross Country Championships has made an Olympic team, compared with seven male high school champions. Just four have won an individual N.C.A.A. championship, but none of those were in cross-country."

its spelled tuohy moran

typical lrc bozo wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/sports/katelyn-tuohy.html

"[S]ince 1980, just one female winner of the Foot Locker National Cross Country Championships has made an Olympic team, compared with seven male high school champions. Just four have won an individual N.C.A.A. championship, but none of those were in cross-country."

its spelled tuohy moran

Moran must be hitting the bottle again.

WTFBBQ wrote:

jus sayin wrote:

Which is why 90% of females fall over at the finish line at NCAA Nationals XC every year. It's definitely because they are so tough.

Wasn't there a physiological reason for this released recently? Something about women's blood pressure not as quick to bounce back as men's? Has nothing to do with mental toughness and everything to do with simple physiology.

It has everything to do with mental toughness. You fall over at the end of a race like a totally limp noodle because you've completely given up all effort, not because your blood pressure dropped a hundred points magically when you crossed the line.

Amen to that wrote:

typical lrc bozo wrote:

its spelled tuohy moran

Moran must be hitting the bottle again.

Didn't s/he admit the misspelling in the second post?

p.n. wrote:

Amen to that wrote:

Moran must be hitting the bottle again.

Didn't s/he admit the misspelling in the second post?

Yes, and our spelling maven also mangled the distinction between its and it's.

I've said this several times including when I completely called that Mary Cain would be a bust. I just don't think it's great for these kids to try to be that fast that early. Be patient.

gv0nr wrote:

Also Mary Cain is still just 21. She has time to build a career.

. . . not if she doesn't race.

Skeat wrote:

p.n. wrote:

Didn't s/he admit the misspelling in the second post?

Yes, and our spelling maven also mangled the distinction between its and it's.

It's also spelled "moron". Moran is a guy from Ireland.

The Starved Elephant wrote:

It's also spelled "moron". Moran is a guy from Ireland.

Oh, you must be new here.