Tokyo 2020 Marathon course unveiled - It will feature a Gold Medal Break It Or Make It Hill between 37 and 41 k!

Back to Tradition wrote:

Finally, a proper Olympic marathon finish! You need to go back to 2004 for a stadium finish. Nothing is better than watching them enter the stadium and finish on the Olympic track!

I know for a fact that Beijing ended on the track.

Very surprising that part of the course did not include a segment running through the Fukushima nuclear plant. This would have guaranteed fast times.

I hope Shonen Knife will be playing "Osaka is My Favorite Town" at the opening ceremonies.

I doubt Jared Ward makes the 2020 team.

It's probably best for him because those Shinto Japanese have a perverse dislike of

Mormons for some unknown reason.

M.A.G.A...

Remember Barcelona '92 anyone? That was some f-ing hilly finish, hot and humid too!

lkj wrote:

In my opinion, the absolute best Olympic Marathon course, the 1992 Barcelona Olympics which finished with a massive uphill I was able to run last year... amazing fitness was needed to withstand the heat and humidity and then battle the uphill finish... amazing race, pure toughness, absolutely killer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym2SE_dd4p4

Yes, I remember it vividly, it was also very hot and humid, I was a spectator there that day

It doesn't even qualify as "hill"... 0/10

Doesn't the grade matter? wrote:

rojo wrote:

It rises about 30m over the span of 4k. That's 98 feet. Every 10 feet in elevation gain is worth 1.8 seconds so that's 17.64 seconds but it does drop back down over the last 1k. I think close to 10 meters. I'd say the net elevation gain is at least 20 meters.

So you might get back close to 5 seconds of that loss. I'd say about 12 seconds.

Rojo, where did you get that 1.8sec per 10' elevation gain figure?

Pretty sure its a John Kellogg thing. Its definitely not that legit and just an estimation, but the Brojos hold it up like its one of the Ten Commandments. There are so many different ways that the elevation change can be distributed along a segment that would further make the assumption incorrect, and they think that you gain/lose the same amount of time running uphill vs. downhill which is also wrong. I wish they would stop throwing out that 1.8 sec/ten ft figure.

I thought you were talking crazy (as in it's called the Summer Olympics for a reason), but turns out I was very very misinformed. I didn't know Tokyo '64 took place in October. Also didn't realize the schedule was locked to July/Aug solely to TV contracts - supposedly it's a slow period for televised major sports (American sports, anyway), so it can dominate.

4:10 online, 5:40 on the track wrote:

Instead of being humane, and having the games in October in Japan, some people in Europeans who have not been to Japan chose July - August????????

All times for all events outdoors will be REALLY slow... the heat is oppressive and the humidity unbearable. Idiotic planning.

anyone know what the american trials course is going to look like in atlanta?

all I know is they are not using the same course as the public marathon the next day

4:10 online, 5:40 on the track wrote:

Instead of being humane, and having the games in October in Japan, some people in Europeans who have not been to Japan chose July - August????????

All times for all events outdoors will be REALLY slow... the heat is oppressive and the humidity unbearable. Idiotic planning.

That will just increase the chances of Yuki Kawauchi of winning!!!! Yuki Kawauchi FTW!!!!

Didn't even think of that. That'd be pretty sweet.

Lydiard Cerutty wrote:

That will just increase the chances of Yuki Kawauchi of winning!!!! Yuki Kawauchi FTW!!!!

lolreally wrote:

Are we really talking about a 90 foot hill? That's nothing..

Just lol at Tokyo billing that as a climb. A legit climb of 5-10% for a km or two would be quite interesting, but this is like a one percent gradient or something. Yawn.

lolreally wrote:

Are we really talking about a 90 foot hill? That's nothing..

Letsrun is fake news.

Reuters is wrong? No way. Their facts are impeccable, and beyond reproach.

The best research 8 bucks an hour can achieve.

Just like NBC has all the facts, and covers track and field, with the brains of Einstein and well beyond.

THE FACTS.

The rise is at least 1000 ft.

The Tokyo map is fake.

Tokyo is mountainous and flat .

Ever heard of Mt. Fuji???

Google, Facebook, Twitter needs to ban Letsrun for fake news.

if they don't behave, it's Tommy Robinson time.

Reuters, Reuters, rah, rah, rah.

atlanta wrote:

anyone know what the american trials course is going to look like in atlanta?

all I know is they are not using the same course as the public marathon the next day

Probably some looped garbage just like the one in LA. If USATF is in charge it’s guaranteed to pretty much suck.

A 30 meter climb over 4km? EVERYONE WILL DIE!!!111

Niles wrote:

Doesn't the grade matter? wrote:

Rojo, where did you get that 1.8sec per 10' elevation gain figure?

Pretty sure its a John Kellogg thing. Its definitely not that legit and just an estimation, but the Brojos hold it up like its one of the Ten Commandments. There are so many different ways that the elevation change can be distributed along a segment that would further make the assumption incorrect, and they think that you gain/lose the same amount of time running uphill vs. downhill which is also wrong. I wish they would stop throwing out that 1.8 sec/ten ft figure.

My calculator says that running 5 minute pace at 1% would cost you 2.3 seconds for every 10 ft. Since the average stated was .8%, that would make it 1.84 seconds. Also the downhill only gives back about half so it looks like his calculations are very accurate.

I used my calculator for a bunch of Japanese ekiden legs one year and it was always very accurate. I have also used it on many races I have run and my splits were always within a couple seconds per mile of what the calculator predicted the impact of the hills would be.

The hill on google maps street view. around the 40k mark:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6912936,139.7165824,3a,75y,285.27h,69.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTulwW_ZngN569MBXsachgQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

They come back down after 200m or so.

Course will suit Hairpin Specialists.

Can someone explain to a complete moron how to determine hill steepness.