Which states have NOT had a sub 4 minute mile run on their soil?

Cottonshirt or anyone else: Any idea of the fastest outdoor mile in North Dakota history? I'm not surprised it's slower than the indoor time, with snow on the ground for 5 months and a constant 10 mph+ wind the rest of the time.

Cottonshirt wrote:

ric flair woo wrote: someone pointed out earlier that King Ches ran a 3:58 at the Merri Mile in Hawaii. cross that off.

I think you'll also find that the Merrie Mile is not run on a track, so I'm afraid it doesn't count.

cheers.

https://www.honolulumarathon.org/our-events/kalakaua-merrie-mile

Why shouldn't it count? Ches ran a mile in under 4 minutes on Hawaiian soil so I think that covers the criteria.

There are a few sub-4 miles in Hot Springs in the 1990s. Is that the Hot Springs Invitational in South Dakota by any chance? Great research!

When was there a sub-4 in Utah? I'm having a hard time finding one.

4:00.06 by Coughlan is the fastest that I remember.

Padilla 3:57 Provo '83.

Reptilians wrote:

Cottonshirt wrote:

I think you'll also find that the Merrie Mile is not run on a track, so I'm afraid it doesn't count.

cheers.

https://www.honolulumarathon.org/our-events/kalakaua-merrie-mile

Why shouldn't it count? Ches ran a mile in under 4 minutes on Hawaiian soil so I think that covers the criteria.

Yup, the thread title and OP didn't specify track only. The Colorado downhill one was actually on actual soil too, as the wording in the thread title asks (instead of rubber). All are of interest, so that should be another thread, or you could have categories or asterisks like outdoor track, indoor track, flat road, downhill road/trail.

Nebraska...Batt was first collegiate under 4, but the the original post about Lagat in 2002 is true. Ran in the 3:55 range solo.

So where are we at? Is this it?

Colorado

Delaware

Hawaii

Mississippi

Nevada

New Hampshire

South Dakota

Vermont

Wyoming

Wareweat? wrote: So where are we at? Is this it?

Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Mississippi, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming

yes, this is the correct list.

more like subzero said: Any idea of the fastest outdoor mile in North Dakota history? [/quote]

sorry, not something I would know, my database only has sub-4 miles. however, your chance to be the first sub-4 miler in North Dakota history is coming up. the 3rd Annual See Dick Run Elite Mile is coming up on June 11th. it is at Cushman Field, Grand Forks, ND, and there are seeded races starting at 7.00 pm. entries (elite entries for guys under 4:30 is FREE) at the link below.

cheers.

You said the North Dakota record is Mike Slack 3:59.7i (at NDSU in Fargo), hence it is not on the list. They are likely targeting the outdoor record. That list looks to be right.

you are absolutely right. they are targeting the outoor record.

I realised as soon as I had posted it that it was ambiguous. you wouldn't be, "the first sub-4 miler in North Dakota history," you would be the first outdoor sub-4 miler in North Dakota history.

I kind of simultaneously hoped that no one would notice, and that anyone who did notice would know what it meant anyway.

and, I emailed the organisers to ask for the meet record but they haven't got back to me yet. so we still don't know the North Dakota record for 1 mile outdoors.

cheers.

I have updated the list of fastest mile run in each US state to include as many as I could of those states where sub-4 has not yet been achieved. for some of these states there is limited information available, particularly in Hawaii, Nevada, and Vermont, so I am prepared to be wrong about these and this list should be thought of as the start place for a conversation rather than a definitive list.

please note that this list is of 1 mile races by all-comers on state soil. where an * follows an entry on the list, please read the notes at the bottom.

state / mark / name (affiliation) / meet / venue / date

Alabama - 3:59.41i Brian Shrader (USA) Birmingham, AL 19 Jan 2018

Alaska - 3:59.36 Kyle Merber (USA) Great Alaska Mile Series Anchorage, AK 13 Sep 2017

Arizona - 3:56.40 Paul Cummings (USA) Tempe, AZ 16 Mar 1974

Arkansas - 3:49.89i Bernard Lagat (USA) Tyson Invitational Fayetteville, AR 11 Feb 2005

California - 3:50.60i Eamonn Coghlan (IRL) San Diego, CA 20 Feb 1981

Colorado - 4:01.27 Tabor Stevens (USA) Tiger Relays La Junta, CO 17 Apr 2015 *

Connecticut - 3:58.46i Andrew Bumbalough (USA) New Haven, CT 02 Feb 2008

Delaware - 4:05.10 Victor Zwolak (USA) AAU Development Meet Wilmington, DE 02 Aug 1962 *

Florida - 3:57.52i Mark Carroll (IRL) Gainesville, FL 22 Jan 1999

Georgia - 3:50.86 Noureddine Morceli (ALG) Atlanta, GA 18 May 1996

Hawaii - *

Idaho - 3:59.75i Jacinto Navarette (COL) Moscow, ID 13 Feb 1987 *

Illinois - 3:54.11 William Tanui (KEN) Edwardsville, IL 25 Jul 1998

Indiana - 3:54.48 Marcus O'Sullivan (IRL) Indianapolis, IN 25 Jun 1993

Iowa - 3:51.71 Alan Webb (USA) Drake Relays Des Moines, IA 28 Apr 2007

Kansas - 3:53.30 Rick Wohlhuter (USA) Wichita, KS 31 May 1975

Kentucky - 3:57.20i Filbert Bayi (TAN) Mason Dixon Games Louisville, KY 12 Feb 1977

Louisiana - 3:57.10 David Wottle (USA) Baton Rouge, LA 09 Jun 1973

Maine - 3:56.82 Jason Pyrah (USA) Maine Distance Festival Brunswick, ME 04 Jul 1998

Maryland - 3:54.93i Richard Buerkle (USA) College Park, MD 13 Jan 1978

Massachusetts - 3:49.44i Edward Cheserek (KEN) Boston, MA 09 Feb 2018

Michigan - 3:53.50 Nick Willis (NZL) Michigan Track Classic Saline, MI 10 Aug 2014

Minnesota - 3:55.52 Ray Flynn (IRL) Minneapolis, MN 10 Aug 1985

Mississippi - 4:00.53 Brandon Doughty (USA) Jace Lacoste Invitational Starkville, MS 03 May 2014

Missouri - 3:54.27 Jordan McNamara (USA) Nike Festival of Miles Saint Louis, MO 05 Jun 2014

Montana - 3:59.76i Patrick Casey (USA) Montana State Dual Meet Bozeman, MT 04 Feb 2011

Nebraska - 3:55.07i Bernard Lagat (KEN) Lincoln, NE 09 Feb 2002

Nevada - *

New Hampshire - 4:00.90i Jim Peterson (USA) Bicentennial Relays Hanover, NH 10 Apr 1976 *

New Hampshire - 4:00.90i Jack McDonald (USA) Bicentennial Relays Hanover, NH 10 Apr 1976 *

New Jersey - 3:49.78i Eamonn Coghlan (IRL) East Rutherford, NJ 27 Feb 1983

New Mexico - 3:54.73i Edward Cheserek (KEN) Albuquerque, NM 27 Jan 2018

New York - 3:50.63i Matthew Centrowitz (USA) Wanamaker Mile New York, NY 20 Feb 2016

North Carolina - 3:53.85i Edward Cheserek (KEN) Winston-Salem, NC 03 Feb 2018

North Dakota - 3:59.70i Mike Slack (USA) Fargo, ND 26 Jan 1974 *

Ohio - 3:55.87 Kevin Sullivan (CAN) Canton, OH 10 Jun 2000

Oklahoma - 3:57.00i Wilson Waigwa (KEN) Oklahoma City, OK 15 Feb 1975 *

Oregon - 3:47.32 Ayanleh Souleiman (DJI) Bowerman Mile Eugene, OR 31 May 2014

Pennsylvania - 3:52.26 Steve Scott (USA) Villanova, PA 30 May 1981

Rhode Island - 3:53.42i Frank O'Mara (IRL) Providence, RI 01 Feb 1987

South Carolina - 3:56.18 Cory Leslie (USA) Furman Invitational Greenville, SC 13 Apr 2013

South Dakota - 4:01.67 Brad Lowery (USA) Howard Wood Dakota Relays Sioux Falls, SD 06 May 2005

Tennessee - 3:53.79i Sydney Maree (USA) Eastman Kodak Invitational Johnson City, TN 18 Jan 1986 *

Texas - 3:54.20i Steve Scott (USA) Houston, TX 16 Feb 1980 *

Utah - 3:57.23 Doug Padilla (USA) Provo, UT 21 May 1983

Vermont - 4:12.74i Jack Pinho (USA) New England Div III Indoor Champ' Middlebury, VT 17 Feb 2018 *

Virginia - 3:54.41i Noureddine Morceli (ALG) Mobil Invitational Fairfax, VA 09 Feb 1992

Washington - 3:53.89i Izaic Yorks (USA) MPSF Indoor Championship Seattle, WA 27 Feb 2016

West Virginia - 3:58.30 Wilson Waigwa (KEN) Charleston, WV 12 Jun 1976

Wisconsin - 3:56.38 Matthew Tegenkamp (USA) Madison, WI 06 May 2006

Wyoming - 4:14.68i Ricky Faure (USA) Montana vs Wyoming Dual Meet Gillette, WY 27 Jan 2018 *

notes.

Colorado: La Junta, CO is at an elevation 4,078 ft. not relevant to this thread, but from the department of other cool stuff - in August 2013 Scott Dahlberg, an assistant cross country coach at Colorado State University, won a 1 mile race on a six-laps-per-mile circuit on the summit of Pikes Peak, Colorado, at an elevation of 14,115 feet, finishing in 4:46. Dahlberg is now the assistant distance coach at Wyoming under head coach Brian Berryhill.

Delaware: Vic Zwolak was NCAA steeplechase champion in 1963 and 1964. he went to the 1964 Olympic games in Tokyo where he ran the 3000m steeplechase, and he currently holds the Delaware state record for 5000m in the 70-74 age group. the Bring back the Mile website report him as having run the fastest mile in Delaware, but LetsRunner Blue Hen claims a time of 4:02.0i for "Morgan Moser" in 1972 (there was a link but it no longer leads to anything). I think he means Morgan Mosser of West Virginia University who was 6th in the NCAA mile in 1972. I found a report in the Morning News of Wilmington, Delaware dated Monday, 28 February 1972 - Page 23, that appears to confirm this but it's behind a paywall and I can't see the whole thing. I think the meet was at the Delaware Field House. confirmation of this would be appreciated.

Hawaii: HS boys currently run 1500m but back in the day they used to run 1600m and the state meet record for that is 4:09.5 by Kurt Mench (Castle H/S) from 1970. Hawaii university have not had a men's track team for some time, and the current "Track & Field History & Records" pages on their website don't list any men's performances or records at all, except to mention that Terry Albritton was US Champion and WR holder in the shot in 1976. a LetsRunner mentioned that he thought Duncan MacDonald had run 4:04 for the mile, which seems reasonable because as a master's runner he set AR for the mile in New York, but further details of miles in Hawaii are proving hard to pin down. I so far have zero miles actually in Hawaii.

Idaho: there is some confusion about the exact time run by Jacinto Navarette at Moscow, ID on 13 Feb 1987. Peter Larsson's all-time list (link below) gives him 3:59.75i, but the iaaf website (link below) gives him 3:59.87i, a time also given on the T&FN sub-4 register. I am unable to locate either the original result or a contemporary newspaper or magazine report to resolve the issue. the relevant local newspaper is probably the Moscow-Pullman Daily News but they don't allow access to Europeans because, they say, data protection reasons...

Nevada: at the HS level boys in NV run 1600m not 1 mile so there probably isn't a state HS record for the mile. according to Athletic.net the state record for the 1600m is 4:38.36 by Alex Bledsoe in 2010. at a college level, outside the standard NCAA meets they have the Randall Cunningham Track Classic and a Spring Invitational, neither of which has a 1 mile race. Nevadan Josh Thompson has been under 4 minutes three times, twice in Seattle and once at College Station, Texas, but he has so far not done the deed in Nevada itself. meanwhile, Googling, "fastest mile run in Nevada" gets you 4 million results on world speed records and a thing called the Nevada Open Road Challenge, which turns out to be a 90-mile race for motor vehicles. Nevada is currently zero for miles.

New Hampshire: 4:00.9i Jim Peterson (Georgetown) and Jack McDonald (Greater Boston TC) both at Bicentennial Relays Darmouth, NH 10 Apr 1976. Peterson was 1st, McDonald 2nd but they were given the same time.

North Dakota: a sub-4 mile has been run indoors at Fargo, ND, but details of any outdoor miles in the state are hard to come by. the only "fact" I have at this point is that the track record for Cushman Field in Grand Fork, ND is 4:16.74 set by Nate Peterson in the See Dick Run elite mile in June 2016. See Dick Run is a running shoe store that both sponsors and organises an annual 1 mile festival in Grand Fork, ND.

Oklahoma: the night Wilson Waigwa ran the first sub-4 mile in Oklahoma history, Dwight Stones broke the WR for the high jump at the same meet, which does tend to take precendence if you are searching for this in local newspapers.

Tennessee: the East Tennessee State University indoor track at Johnson City, TN is oversize.

Texas: the indoor track in the Houston Astrodome where Steve Scott set the Texas record was oversize.

Vermont: 4:12.74i Jack Pinho (Springfield) Virtue Field House Middlebury, VT 17 Feb 2018. this is the Virtue Field House facility record. the previous record was 4:18.25i Kevin Serrao (Middlebury College) Virtue House Middlebury, VT 28 Jan 2017. the only other contender I know of is 4:09.82i Bo Parker (Williams College) 1983. this is the meet record for the New England Div III Men's Indoor T&F Championship, but I have been unable to find a venue for the 1983 edition so this might not be in VT at all. Pinho has run faster, he ran 4:07.89 in one of those Last Chance meets in February 2018 but that was in Staten Island, NY, not VT.

Wyoming Gillette, WY is at an elevation of 4,554ft.

as ever, amendments and corrections always welcome.

cheers.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_mileok.htm

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/colombia/jacinto-navarrete-3614

Pat Casey ran sub four in Montana in February 4, 2011 at 3:59.76. This was without altitude adjustment (He was at altitude for it). Ran a 4:04 in college before that which with altitude adjustment at 4,800 ft was also technically sub 4.

Of course after he broke 4 at altitude he transferred to Oklahoma, but still. He even went to high school in MT.

South Dakota - done :

Adam Fog (Drake University - Jr.), ran 3:59 a week and half ago in South Dakota. Last half of the race is was basically solo - looks like he had gas left in the tank.

Drew Hunter's sub 4:00 there was TT -not iace- and was paced by a bicycle, so not a 'legal' result.

ScaryClown wrote:

Yo, stud? I'm too lazy tu use that there Interweb. No service at my trailer.

Why New England so poorly represented? What's wrong with them?

Vermont? Andrew Wheating didn't pop one at home?

There are no real meets up here. Only 1 DI school that isn't particularly fast, only 1 decent indoor track and it's at a DIII school. I have to drive to Boston when I want to race because there literally aren't any open track meets here.

Cheserek went 3:54 on the roads in Hawaii, not sure if that counts. Probably not.