Why does the West and the media even pretend the Russian elections are fair?

wejo wrote:

Russia is voting today and the only question is what percent of the vote Putin will get.

The thing that bugs me is how the Western media plays into the idea that these are free and fair elections.

You actually think the Western media believes these are free and fair elections?

You really are a boob.

rt. wrote:

How do you reconcile caring about this, but not caring about Russia interfering with US elections?

There's no proof they interfered. Even if they did, do you care that the US interferes with elections in other countries including Russia?

Balding Eagle wrote:

Hey Wejo, did you miss the part where our Secretary of State was fired on Twitter for speaking up against Russia?

What's wrong with firing him for that? Where's the problem?

I hate Trump wrote:

South Korea, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Texas, Israel, Cambodia, Pakistan each have sham elections. What else is new?

"Democracy" has been a hoax since ancient Greek times, yet sheeple still cling to its aura.

RE: Why does the West and the media even pretend the Russian elections are fair?

Because Westerners like to believe in Fake News.

Keeping up the pretense of "fair" (even in Russia), allows them to ignore the 3-5 million illegal voters and heavy Mexican influence 2016, that still lost the election for Wisconsin-phobic failed candidate Hillary.

The real advice, is to follow 19-th century political philosopher John Stuart Mill, and have public ballot (not secret). Even my home-owner's association does this, after some shenanigans some years back. Then the cheating will dissipate. But of course, many politicos don't want the outcomes....

Why did you delete my thread on Salvatore Antibo? Seriously????? What was wrong with it!!!???

You fvcking morons

Odod wrote:

rt. wrote:

How do you reconcile caring about this, but not caring about Russia interfering with US elections?

There's no proof they interfered. Even if they did, do you care that the US interferes with elections in other countries including Russia?

Russian troll.

Speaking up wrote:

Balding Eagle wrote:

Hey Wejo, did you miss the part where our Secretary of State was fired on Twitter for speaking up against Russia?

What's wrong with firing him for that? Where's the problem?

Russian troll.

I've wondered the same thing about American elections. We get two mediocre parties that switch roles screwing things up every few years and seem incapable of working together on basic measures. Then the person that gets the most votes doesn't even win sometimes. What a crock!

jorvack wrote:

I have never seen the Western media portray Russia's "democracy" as fair. Can the OP post a source?

Ok. Here's an article talking about how they're concerned about "Turnout". One line at the end hints at this being unfair: "who was barred from the race because of a criminal conviction widely seen as politically motivated."

The whole way the Venezuelan elections were covered is similar to me.

Stunning wrote:

The American elections aren't fair either. That's just how it is. Likewise, Americans "meddle" n other countries' elections all the time. Why are Americans so hypocritical about election meddling? This is of course assuming the allegations against Russia for meddling are true. I haven't seen any evidence, proof, or admission of guilt.

I knew someone would try and make this equivalent to the West. Sure in the West you need a lot of money to win but candidates can take off from time to time. It's not even comparable.

Although when I was in Kenya and talked with people there how tribal everyone was and whether the elections were fair a couple of people laughed back at me and pointed out we were going to go Bush-Clinton-Bush- (Clinton) this was in 2007 in our elections. So it is important to know problems with our own system.

And election meddling is a different issue.

Balding Eagle wrote:

Hey Wejo, did you miss the part where our Secretary of State was fired on Twitter for speaking up against Russia?

He's still free to say whatever he wants, but I don't see what this has to do with how the rest of the West talks about the elections. By pretending they're on the same plane as European or American elections gives them legitimacy.

Having said that I don't doubt Putin is popular in Russia but I don't trust the opinion polls.

Look at how Western UK, cleverly times this bogus "poisoning" story (a false-flag effort, involving BoJo), to disrupt Putin's re-election.

There is much meddling from outside, but we still try to stay fair.

wejo wrote:

By pretending they're on the same plane as European or American elections gives them legitimacy.

Don't say that in the same breath. Over in Europe the guy with the most votes wins (yes, even in Russia). You know... democracy..

Balding Eagle wrote:

wejo wrote:

By pretending they're on the same plane as European or American elections gives them legitimacy.

Don't say that in the same breath. Over in Europe the guy with the most votes wins (yes, even in Russia). You know... democracy..

Please, tell us the difference between a 'democracy' and a 'republic'.

Hillary was a horrible candidate and still had more votes. That's never gonna change.

Testing testing wrote:

Balding Eagle wrote:

Don't say that in the same breath. Over in Europe the guy with the most votes wins (yes, even in Russia). You know... democracy..

Please, tell us the difference between a 'democracy' and a 'republic'.

Yep, the powerless Euro Parliament ("democracy") does little, while the unelected European Commission (and unelected EU judges) control everything.

The US is not a republic. It's an oligarchy.

wejo wrote:

I knew someone would try and make this equivalent to the West. Sure in the West you need a lot of money to win but candidates can take off from time to time. It's not even comparable.

And election meddling is a different issue.

I never said anything about money. I've seen how US elections are unfair. I've only seen accusations about Russian elections being unfair. Is there actual proof?

Meddling is not a different issue. It has to do with fairness and honesty which is exactly what we're talking about.

Balding Eagle wrote:

The US is not a republic. It's an oligarchy.

Are you sure about that?