Rupp Wins -- 59:47 in Rome

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heyyo wrote:

Course dropped 20m or aided by 11s. Wind was from the SE or almost exactly a cross wind so it seems like it’s safe to say there was no impact. I don’t think we need to debate how much it was aided. You’d like that though. Stop trolling.

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I've run Houston and Rome and I think this is close to a 59:30-ish in Houston. Houston is pretty equal to downhill in terms of how fast it is. Good stuff.. is Rupp #3 all-time USA now? Hall 59:43 and didn't one of the WCAP guys go 59:47 as well?

Once his marathon gets in-line with his shorter PBs, this kid is going down as a legend. Check his PBs.. last guy that won Rome in 59:40 ran 2:03 against Kipchoge -

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/galen-rupp-196507

Nice Win! I was expecting him to just use this race as a Boston tune up and cruise through it in around 61-62 mins.

Make America great

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rojo wrote:

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Wowxer wrote:

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Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:

"More on the course?" You article briefly mentions a slight drop of 65 feet, which you estimate aids 11 seconds. The majority of the info you have about that race is about the wind that seems to have helped by a minute or more.

I had to skim through a very long article to find you linked to something that was basically not really relevant to understanding Rupp's time.

Why not just say that the course drops by 65 feet, which you estimate to aid about 11 seconds? That would have saved me skimming through a really long recap article from two years ago.

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Because they are lacking brain cells. I have run the course and it is slower than a flat course because there is two big hills in the middle of it. Tailwind helps but the brojos should put some effort into their analysis if they are going to be pedantic. Lazy reporting

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I linked to the article a) I had just gotten up and hadn't had time to analyze it. I was up to 3 am writing articles about NCAAs for you to read for free and knew that I had written about the Rome course before so I linked to that while I tried to look up the weather info for as the Boston Marathon has shown the wind on a point to point course plays a way bigger factor than an elevation drop and b) I wanted another half-penny from you when you clicked on the article :)

Trust me, while I've never run the course, I can assure you it's an aided course if you get a tail wind. It's just like Boston. Wind matters. Today it appears to be a cross wind.

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kjlk wrote:

Once his marathon gets in-line with his shorter PBs, this kid is going down as a legend. Check his PBs.. last guy that won Rome in 59:40 ran 2:03 against Kipchoge -

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Adola is definitely the outlier there. But Rupp just knocked this half out of the park, something he never does in marathon training. He is definitely in shape to run a big PR in the marathon. Too bad he's not going to London.

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robert678 wrote:

but more importantly, did he look relaxed?

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Can you knob slobbers shut the hell up already? Until he runs a fast time you can't credit him with that ability. He's a 2:09 guy until he runs faster than 2:09

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LetsRun.com wrote:

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kjlk wrote:

Once his marathon gets in-line with his shorter PBs, this kid is going down as a legend. Check his PBs.. last guy that won Rome in 59:40 ran 2:03 against Kipchoge -

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Not true. Guye Adola won last year in 59:18.

Here are the marathon PBs of the last 8 winners.

2011 Tujuba Megersa (ETH) 59:58 - 2:09:28
2012 Philemon Limo (KEN) 59:32 - 2:09:25 that spring.
2013 Wilson Kiprop (KEN) 59:15 - 2:09:09 but that came before this race. His best post Ostia race is the 2;19:20 he ran a month later.
2014 Aziz Lahbabi (MAR) 59:25 - No marathons recorded
2015 Robert Chemosin (KEN) 59:37- 2:08:05
2016 Solomon Yego (KEN) 58:44 - 2:07:12
2017 Guye Adola (ETH) 59:18 - 2:03:46
2018 Galen Rupp (USA) 59:47 - 2:09:20

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Gotta bee wrote:

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heyyo wrote:

Course dropped 20m or aided by 11s. Wind was from the SE or almost exactly a cross wind so it seems like it’s safe to say there was no impact. I don’t think we need to debate how much it was aided. You’d like that though. Stop trolling.

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Rojo is a retard on anything Rupp, last month he claimed Rupp never attempted a 3k/mile double indoors even lmao
He has a jealousy issue with Rupp, I think that’s his problem tbh

[i] Editor's note: Rojo didn't claim this. [/u]

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It's a very similar course to Boston; net downhill but also a fair amount of uphill, which is almost certainly why he chose to run it. Based on how he did, he's exactly where he needs to be to compete for the win in Boston, and that's what he's trying to do. End of discussion.

Rupp is above records. Thats for 3rd world poor people like Bekele. He knows he can run 58 flat in the half and a 2:03 full marathon but he wants the fame and fortune that is given by winning the major American marathons. Those are still the most important ones.

Please don’t claim not to have a bias against Rupp.

It’s a good run. It’s not the greatest run but he won a race and it looks he is in good shape. He may run well in Boston but nothing is guaranteed.

Looks like you did not bother to check if there was cross-wind or tailwind before doing an analysis with an unfavorable conclusion. Then you compare to past years times without checking tailwinds. Just chill, it’s a tune-up race Ina a marathon build-up.

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rojo wrote:

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Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

Course record?

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Gosh, Rupp is good. Never has a bad one.

Wait, since so many think I hate Rupp and I enjoy playiing the villian, I'll answer your question about course record and point out that his winning time today was the slowest in 7 years in Rome. :)

2011 Tujuba Megersa (ETH) 59:58
2012 Philemon Limo (KEN) 59:32
2013 Wilson Kiprop (KEN) 59:15
2014 Aziz Lahbabi (MAR) 59:25
2015 Robert Chemosin (KEN) 59:37
2016 Solomon Yego (KEN) 58:44
2017 Guye Adola (ETH) 59:18
2018 Galen Rupp (USA) 59:47

Although I'll also point out that the Haylu's winning time in the women's race of 69:02 was by far the slowest winning womens time in 7 years as well, indicating the conditions may not have been ideal for running fast which is what someone claimed on the other thread (I'll have to look up weather conditions).

2011 Anna Incerti (ITA) 1:09:06
2012 Florence Kiplagat (KEN) 1:06:38
2013 Flomena Cheyech (KEN) 1:07:39
2014 Caroline Chepkwony (KEN) 1:08:48
2015 Amane Beriso (ETH) 1:08:43
2016 Worknesh Degefa (ETH) 1:07:08
2017 Gladys Cherono (KEN) 1:07:01
2018 Haylu ETH (69:02)

Ok I've done a little research on the weather. First of all, before we get to the weather. Remember the course features an elevation drop of 20m, which is more than 65 feet which aids you by more than 11 seconds according to LetsRun.com coaching / stat guru John Kellogg's formula that says every 10 feet in elevation loss helps you by 1.8 seconds.

In terms of the weather, here is the course map.

http://cdn.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Screenshot-2016-03-15-at-08.41.26-400x288.png

So a wind out of the NE would be a huge help and the win in the past have been out of the N . But today the wind was mainly a cross wind as it was mainly out of the East with a tiny southernly component.

https://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/histGraphAll?day=11&year=2018&month=3&ID=LIRF&type=3&width=614

Any physics majors want to give me an analysis of whether the wind helped any? Maybe overall net it helped him a little as it's pushing him to the West more than it's hurting him for coming from the south?

On a serious note, can we just all agree that this was the perfect race for Rupp to run his half marathon pb. As will be the case with Rupp's entire career, we're left to debating what it all means and how much of it was or wasn't aided?

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Gotta bee wrote:

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heyyo wrote:

Course dropped 20m or aided by 11s. Wind was from the SE or almost exactly a cross wind so it seems like it’s safe to say there was no impact. I don’t think we need to debate how much it was aided. You’d like that though. Stop trolling.

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Rojo is a retard on anything Rupp, last month he claimed Rupp never attempted a 3k/mile double indoors even lmao
He has a jealousy issue with Rupp, I think that’s his problem tbh

[i] Editor's note: Rojo didn't claim this. [/u]

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About time he broke the hour, and went for a fast time trial type of race. Hopefully he’ll do that for the full marathon in Boston and not jog the first 18 or so miles.

What's up with the rojo hatred? He gives us a site where we all enjoy reading and posting about running and non-running issues, and for some reason there's this deep element of hatred. Perhaps it's self-hatred projecting onto rojo? I personally enjoy his contributions a lot.

Also note: Even if rojo doesn't have a bias against Rupp, why would it be a problem if he did? Rupp is an extremely sketchy and wimpy character oozing with sleaze.

Impressive performance and final kick by Rupp.
I don't get the haters, he basically run the same time of Robertson but you're measuring a mild wind and elevation loss LOL
How many other americans can run a sub 60 half and a fast marathon?
You'd better believe in your guy.