What a performance. She literally led every single lap. All 25. And she ran a 4:38 last 1600 to get the win.
Schweizer got the win by tightening the screws and squeezing the life out of the rest of the field as she ran her first 1600 in 5:20.59, ran her second 1600 in 5:06.04 and her final 1600 in 4:38.33.
What was her last 1k? It’d be interesting to draw the parallels between someone like her and Dibaba. Both are significantly better than almost all of their peers. Both have competitive 800 speed amongst peers but choose not to compete over the distance. Both also seemingly developed out of nowhere from the casual fan’s perspective.
I don’t think she’s ready to go pro yet, but I think when she is she’ll be extremely dominant and skip the “newborn” phase.
Also, what would this be a parallel to for men. Has someone like Ches ever closed on of his 5ks in under 4:10? Obviously that’s something Justyn Knight still struggles with... he tends to close late and hard rather than try and drag things out. I think he should start to focus more on the last 600 or 1/3 of a race rathe than the last 400 or 1/8.
Very impressive run by Schweizer, not sure how set she is for the mile, but I don’t think she’ll win if she still races. 3k is hers by a long shot... but the mile, she just doesn’t seem to be in their mentally.
Also... ROJO I AM STILL GETTING REDIRECTED TO RANDOM WEBSITES ON MY MOBILE PHONE. Please fix this ASAP!!
Todoroki wrote:
Also, what would this be a parallel to for men. Has someone like Ches ever closed on of his 5ks in under 4:10? Obviously that’s something Justyn Knight still struggles with... he tends to close late and hard rather than try and drag things out. I think he should start to focus more on the last 600 or 1/3 of a race rathe than the last 400 or 1/8.
Very impressive run by Schweizer, not sure how set she is for the mile, but I don’t think she’ll win if she still races. 3k is hers by a long shot... but the mile, she just doesn’t seem to be in their mentally.
Are you joking? Did you read the article? The final 1600 in the men's 5k today was sub 4:10.
LRC wrote:
Knight’s victory totally came with ease as he was looking over his shoulder coming off the final turn as he’d easily gapped everyone else thanks to a final 1600 of 4:09.75, final 800 of 2:00.48 and final 400 of 56.63 last 400 for Knight and he destroyed everyone
But what I couldn't believe about todya's run for knight is that's nothing special and yet he blew eveyrone away. Last year, Cheserek closed in 4:09 and 1:56 in a 13:41 race. Tonight was just a 14:14 race.
We are going to add the following point to the 5k article in its final version.
LRC wrote:
If you are wondering why the win looked so easy for Knight, here’s why.
Knight looked almost bored over the final 100 as he was glancing over his shoulder multiple times. He clearly had another gear or two or three if he needed it. And for good reason. The close was very modest by someone of his standard and yet know one in the field was close to challenging him late. As we mentioned above, Knight closed a 14:14 race in 4:09.75, by running a final 800 of 2:00.48, final 400 of 56.63 and final 200 of 27.06. His opening 1600 was a 4:43.02 and his 2nd 1600 was a 4:48.94.
Last year, Edward Cheserek closed off a 13:41 race in 4:09.79, by running a final 800 of 1:56.76, final 4500 of 53.89, and final 200 of 27.06. His opening 1600 was 4:29.38 and his second 1600 was a 4:28.33.
So a sub-4:10 happens all the time in men's running. I started this thread as 4:38 seemed really impressive as I mean it would qualify you for NCAAs right? But the more I think about it, the more I think it's just an indication of how not deep women's running is as compared to men's or how much better the best women are from say the 10th best.
As for the ads, I apologize. Both of my college rommates complained about it today but I never have a problem on my iphone (but I always use chrome). Weldon will look into it.
Nope, I usually would read, but I haven’t been able to free to the time for the 4-8 previews and recaps around championship season.
I still think her 4:38 is impressive, but the reason may be the same as you stated. The depth of women’s running is sparse. On the other hand, you could argue that collegiate men are just as weak as collegiate women. Mo Farrah and Bekele have consistently closed in sub 4 at championships. Obviously the represent THE top tier, but still, 4:09 is a far cry away from 4:00 and speaks poorly for the top end talents in the NCAA.
The next question we ask should be, how would these athletes due in peak fitness against the best USA runners. Ches has answered that question in the past and the answer is “he couldn’t hold a candle to them.”
I guess the NCAA system is meant to be observed in isolation rather than openly. I mean, Isaiah Harris has been SIGNIFICANTLY more successful when racing and competing with pros opposed to competing against collegiates. Donavan Brazier on the other hand is the complete opposite(arguably).
The final question should be, how would the best athletes have performed and developed in these conditions? Would Usain Bolt have ever ran the 100 and would Mo Farah have ever become a champ?
A 4:40 flat full mile (essentially a 4:38 1600m) is 1,048 points according to the 2017 IAAF scoring tables. That equates to a 4:02.2 mile on the men's side. Closing in a 4:02 mile-like effort in a 5,000m, indoors, is ridiculous.
Someone threw out a 4:09 or 4:10 equivalent, but that really understates the quality of this run.
Todoroki wrote:
Nope, I usually would read, but I haven’t been able to free to the time for the 4-8 previews and recaps around championship season.
I still think her 4:38 is impressive, but the reason may be the same as you stated. The depth of women’s running is sparse. On the other hand, you could argue that collegiate men are just as weak as collegiate women. Mo Farrah and Bekele have consistently closed in sub 4 at championships. Obviously the represent THE top tier, but still, 4:09 is a far cry away from 4:00 and speaks poorly for the top end talents in the NCAA.
The next question we ask should be, how would these athletes due in peak fitness against the best USA runners. Ches has answered that question in the past and the answer is “he couldn’t hold a candle to them.”
I guess the NCAA system is meant to be observed in isolation rather than openly. I mean, Isaiah Harris has been SIGNIFICANTLY more successful when racing and competing with pros opposed to competing against collegiates. Donavan Brazier on the other hand is the complete opposite(arguably).
The final question should be, how would the best athletes have performed and developed in these conditions? Would Usain Bolt have ever ran the 100 and would Mo Farah have ever become a champ?
A long winded demonstration of "I haven't a clue".
her last 3k was 9:04.98, i wouldnt be surprised if she was the only one who runs faster than that today in the womens 3k final.
Very impressive. Could have gone 4:35 or maybe faster if challenged in the last 400. Looked like she just cruised in the last lap once she knew she had the win.
How tall is she? Or is that guy interviewing her just really tall?
Todoroki wrote:
What was her last 1k? It’d be interesting to draw the parallels between someone like her and Dibaba. y!!
2:49.6 to answer your question
Knight and Schweizer are over hyped also rans. Bekele closed a 12:37 race with a final 2k of 5:00.01 and Knight closed a 14:14 with a 4:09 mile. Both were close to same age
Almaz Ayana closed a 14:14 with 8:25 last 3k. Karissa Schweizer closed a 15:38 with 9:03 3k. Both were close to same age.
Comparing them to top athletes like Genzebe is hilarious as you can see what happens when matched up to top athletes from above results.
Unnuhhunhu wrote:
Todoroki wrote:
What was her last 1k? It’d be interesting to draw the parallels between someone like her and Dibaba. y!!
2:49.6 to answer your question
I would love to run a 2:49 1k just once.
usnspecialist wrote:
her last 3k was 9:04.98, i wouldnt be surprised if she was the only one who runs faster than that today in the womens 3k final.
Great 3k race for Karissa today - had AllieO push her under 8:55. Congrats to Karissa for the great double. Congrats to AllieO as well - she is always faster than I think she should be.
There is no doubt that women's running is weaker and has significantly less depth than men's. By providing decent coverage of women's running on this site, I truly believe you're having an impact in changing that. We're only one generation removed from women truly having similar opportunities to me in running, and that's in the US; internationally, obviously, the playing field is not anywhere near level. Anyway, I hope that in the future, depth in women's running will improve.
Yuto wrote:
Knight and Schweizer are over hyped also rans. Bekele closed a 12:37 race with a final 2k of 5:00.01 and Knight closed a 14:14 with a 4:09 mile. Both were close to same age
Almaz Ayana closed a 14:14 with 8:25 last 3k. Karissa Schweizer closed a 15:38 with 9:03 3k. Both were close to same age.
Comparing them to top athletes like Genzebe is hilarious as you can see what happens when matched up to top athletes from above results.
Yuto wrote:
Knight and Schweizer are over hyped also rans. Bekele closed a 12:37 race with a final 2k of 5:00.01 and Knight closed a 14:14 with a 4:09 mile. Both were close to same age
Almaz Ayana closed a 14:14 with 8:25 last 3k. Karissa Schweizer closed a 15:38 with 9:03 3k. Both were close to same age.
Comparing them to top athletes like Genzebe is hilarious as you can see what happens when matched up to top athletes from above results.
where is anyone comparing knight and schweizer to Bekele and ayana? Go away ethio-troll.
Suffice it to say Karissa avenged her NCAA XC disappointment. What a tough cookie she is!
Lost in it all Ostrander ran her last 1600m in 4:39!
malmo wrote:
Lost in it all Ostrander ran her last 1600m in 4:39!
Her DMR leg was only 4:36.
malmo wrote:
Lost in it all Ostrander ran her last 1600m in 4:39!
You made me check and notice that the NCAA has full splits. Allie O's last 1600 m was actually 4:38.28. Schweizer's last 1600 m was 4:37.60.