Could a 5-foot-4 125-pound professional boxer pretty much beat up any 6-2 200-pound guy who is athletic but has not fighting

asdfasd wrote:

I think you should reread what you just wrote.

Like saying Geb would probably lose if somebody challenged him to an 800. Does he train for it? Not exactly, but close enough to clean up on anybody except a pro specialist.

What you said is pretty much a false analogy.

True, Geb has almost never run an 800 (actually he ran once if I am correct), but all his mileage has already built an enormous base for running a very good (if not great) 800, whilst the hypothesized 200-pound guy has never made a punch in his entire life.

A better analogy would be an untrained Geb (except for running to school while young) vs a NCAA 800 kid.

Everyone shared their videos of the little guy beating a fat guy, so I thought I might give another example. This is what a 63# weight difference looks like. Trindon Holiday 5' 5" 170# receiver / sprinter vs. Pat McAfee 6'1 233# punter (and let's be serious, a punter is not a trained hitter):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnyxI6KDFHc

Grappling (jiu jitsu and wrestling) is very different. Look at the original UFC days and what the jiu jitsu guys did to the rest of the martial arts world. Even today with fighters having a wide skill set, all the champions, even the strikers, train BJJ regularly. Most fights end up on the ground or if you don't want to punch, you take the fight to the ground. Jiu jitsu is set up to control someone and then kill them, it was started in the military and it works, doesn't look all the cool, but it is very effective. Most real fights are not pretty anyway. Boxing is a beautiful martial art, extremely technical. A 125 purple or brown belt does not even need to be a black belt, BJJ versus a 200 lb guy, no chance for the big guy. Watch a 165 lbs Garcie destroy 260 lbs wrestlers, sumo wrestlers, pro boxers. And those guys were trained. A 125 pro boxer, a little more interesting if somehow the 200 pound got the boxer down and got on top of him, but I'd put my money on the little boxer still. The boxer will have such and advantage in keeping distance and timing shots.

PSUWrestling wrote:

Back in the day, I was at a party when a Penn State All-Conference defensive end (260+) started mouthing off to a backup 119lb. wrestler. The wrestler and football player were exchanging words that lead to a pushing match. In a split second the wrestler had a choke hold on the football player. The football player was going to the ground before his buddies came to pull the wrestler of of him.

I can see a 125 pound boxer destroying a 200 pound guy easily.

Old man boxing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yozD3-KlxWo

One of my son's friends got into a planned after school fight with a 6-4 220 pound football player back in high school. His friend was a 5-8 152lb wrestler who qualified for the state wrestling tournament but didn't place. Granted this was in the Spring so wrestler was probably around 170lbs. Fight was over in about 90 seconds with a very bloody and battered football player.

joedirt wrote:

Everyone shared their videos of the little guy beating a fat guy, so I thought I might give another example. This is what a 63# weight difference looks like. Trindon Holiday 5' 5" 170# receiver / sprinter vs. Pat McAfee 6'1 233# punter (and let's be serious, a punter is not a trained hitter):

The one guy hit the other from the side which gave him huge leverage.

The weight difference didn't matter as much as you think.

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This is the Post of the Year.

If it's a street fight with no gloves I'd give it to the bigger guy. It's too easy to break your hand in a street fight. It also depends on the larger guy's conditioning. After a few minutes of punching most average gym bros would be gassed. If it were an MMA fighter with a BB in BJJ and strong wrestling I'd definitely go with the fighter. That bully beatdown show was a good example of how trained fighters destroy non-fighters. Pros vs Joes had Randy Couture on and he tossed some big guys around like they were children. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12b89

joedirt wrote:

Your honestly calling the sumo wrestler athletic? A 6-2 200# who is athletic should be able to throw a punch and move pretty well. Most professional 125# boxers have a hard time dropping other 125# boxers (even with a direct shot). He wouldn't be able to drop a 200# guy. And yes PSU, there is a big difference between trying to drop a guy with a punch and climbing on a drunk guy and choking him out.

'Throw a punch' and 'land a punch' are two completely different things, and that's where the professional boxer will make the difference.

A pro will land 2/3/4 punches to the big guys jaw before he knows what is going on. The lighter weight boxers are ferociously fast and accurate.

Funny to see "LetsRun.Com" discussing this....

Think more reasonable opinions at LetsFight.net

markschultz40 wrote:

tiny dude wrote:

Do you know how tiny 125 pounds is? Itty-bitty.

Doesn't matter especially if it is very hard solid muscle. 125 pounds of extremely dense muscle, but more importantly, having limbs trained at delivering maximum force and accuracy with each punch, is important.

A baseball bat weighs significantly less than 100 pounds. Doesn't mean you can't do serious damage with it if you direct the force of your swing at the optimal angle.

I'm sorry, I watch this and I just can't see it.

I guess that's pretty different to what the OP is asking though, as there is a world of difference between a 200lb guy (basically just a typical college bro that's 6'2") and a competetive 6'8" strongman like Hafthor.

derp wrote:

If it's a street fight with no gloves I'd give it to the bigger guy. It's too easy to break your hand in a street fight. It also depends on the larger guy's conditioning. After a few minutes of punching most average gym bros would be gassed. If it were an MMA fighter with a BB in BJJ and strong wrestling I'd definitely go with the fighter. That bully beatdown show was a good example of how trained fighters destroy non-fighters. Pros vs Joes had Randy Couture on and he tossed some big guys around like they were children.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12b89

OP clearly stated untrained big athletic gy, so an MMA fighter clearly doesn't count. Can you read????

Ca$hclay wrote:

Are you asking if a person who gets paid to fight would prevail against a much bigger and arguably stronger untrained guy who most likely has never taken a real punch or been in a fight? Hmmm. Not even close.

Most low-level fighters are paid to throw matches.

LM wrote:

markschultz40 wrote:

Doesn't matter especially if it is very hard solid muscle. 125 pounds of extremely dense muscle, but more importantly, having limbs trained at delivering maximum force and accuracy with each punch, is important.

A baseball bat weighs significantly less than 100 pounds. Doesn't mean you can't do serious damage with it if you direct the force of your swing at the optimal angle.

I'm sorry, I watch this and I just can't see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig

I guess that's pretty different to what the OP is asking though, as there is a world of difference between a 200lb guy (basically just a typical college bro that's 6'2") and a competetive 6'8" strongman like Hafthor.

That video couldn't be more irrelevant.

An MMA guy play fighting with a huge professional strongman.

What is the point of linking that?

ex-runner wrote:

LM wrote:

I'm sorry, I watch this and I just can't see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig

I guess that's pretty different to what the OP is asking though, as there is a world of difference between a 200lb guy (basically just a typical college bro that's 6'2") and a competetive 6'8" strongman like Hafthor.

That video couldn't be more irrelevant.

An MMA guy play fighting with a huge professional strongman.

What is the point of linking that?

I can see why he linked it, yea it's not relevant to the OP, but I think it's relevant to where these conversations always go...what would happen in a street fight. Street fight isn't going to be boxing in a ring, it's going to be full body, aggressive combat.

Plus the OP's question is silly, obviously a small boxer would destroy your typical american, which is more or less what the question is asking. Whether a small fighter could take down a uniquely strong person is a more interesting question at least worthy of some discussion.

If it's Lomachenko, then yes. He would toy with the guy and then SLOWLY end him and make it way more painful than a normal KO.

LOOK HIM UP! They don't call him Vasyl "no mas"chenko for nothing.

Bad Wigins wrote:

markschultz40 wrote:

You clearly don't know how fighting works.

You clearly never played football. All the fighting "disciplines" are specialized, limited mobility scenarios and translate poorly to the real world. But football translates perfectly.

People don't understand just how much more destructive things can be at high speed. Twice the speed, twice the momentum. Combat sports ignore that element.

In one of its early years, football was nearly banned because 19 players were killed. It requires more protective gear than any other sport, but the players are still constantly injured, even though they're not technically even fighting each other.

Tackling also works under adrenaline rush, because it uses simple movements and primary joints which don't suffer from the loss of coordination.

Yes, this is why pro football players who haven’t put in years of boxing training always get clobbered when they hop into a boxing ring. Always. A pro mma fighter would easily destroy one of the football player’s knees before the ‘fight’ could get underway. Pro fighters are PRO FIGHTERS and will knock the tar out big lug football players.

Racket wrote:

No one has mentioned the fact that the 5'4" guy would have to seriously reach to even hit the 6'2" guy. Don't you lose power when having to punch upwards too?

Mike Tyson was usually shorter than his opponents. That didn't hurt him at all. In fact, being shorter could help. Once the shorter guy gets inside the taller guy's reach he has the advantage. Punching upward is known as an uppercut, one of Tyson's main KO weapons. 5'4' guy has arms that are probably at least 2 feet long. That's plenty long to hit a 6'2' guy's chin. If he wanted to hit him in the body it would be easy.