Clenbuterol, Nandrolone -OR- Cardarine which is better for Endurance Athlete?

SONEPARG wrote:

I am wondering which one of the products, Nandrolone, Clenbuterol or Cardarine will help with my endurance?

I have seen many runners getting busted for Clen & Nandrolone, but not cardarine...any answers would be appreciated.

I have heard Cardarine is the wonder drug as close to EPO you can get and its ingestable thru pill form, not needle like EPO is...

thanks for any assistance on the above three drugs.

Acts to increase metabolism, and usually stacked with tren. Increases endurance and CANCER in MICE. It is also banned in track and field. That's all you need to know.

Only cancer is if you take a whole bottle in one dosage...not the 10 mg dosage recommended. Proven results, from the research i have seen, a lot of cyclist use it, and have been banned for using it.

I was just curious to see if any others(runners) out there have tried any of the above with dramatic improvement in performance times, and feeling.

HardcoreApple12 wrote:

Only cancer is if you take a whole bottle in one dosage...not the 10 mg dosage recommended. Proven results, from the research i have seen, a lot of cyclist use it, and have been banned for using it.

I was just curious to see if any others(runners) out there have tried any of the above with dramatic improvement in performance times, and feeling.

I don't understand. What's your play here? You come off like an advertisement for selling cardarine, and this is not your first time creating a thread on it. Yet, you have no link to it being sold. I'm not seeing the scam here. Anyone else see it? He's definitely not naively wondering about it.

I was curious about the same topic, has anyone had any luck with these products? are they as reliable as the 4% nike racer.

I am looking for a performance enhancer that will help build my endurance without putting on the muscle weight.

thank you.

KB

According to the bodybuilding web sites, Clen is going to give you a very very high rapid heart rate. I can't imagine taking that, then going running. Aren't we always trying to have a lower HR?

looking into it now, I agree, I see a lot of Kenyans other national runners being caught with doping of Nandrolone is it more effective and efficient then Cardarine? are there any cyclist or runners on here that have tried, or are taking either Nandrolone or Cardarine.

I know they are both banned drugs by WADA and USADA agency's.

Dude you are talking about having to inject nandrolone. think about this, you are going to have to buy hypodermic needles, both to withdraw and inject so 2 different gauges, then find a source for deca durabolin, buy that from god knows who, then inject that into your body!, hoping that a) it is what they actually say it is b) that you inject correctly and don't hurt yourself c) get a nasty infection.

Now, you also have to worry about the rate your body aromatase test. into estrogen. so you may have to inject that into your body as well!. (if your body converts the excess test. > estrogen you have defeated the reason for taking this big ol boost of test right?)

Also anabolic steroids immediately suppress your natural ability to make test. so.. after you go off you will need a round of different drugs to make your body kick back in and make test. So now you might need some viagra or cialis just to get an erection... so yeah taking MORE drugs... oh and you might break out with acne like a teenager... so now you need accutane..that's right MORE drugs, MORE money$

You are going to spend a lot of money, make your @ss look like a pin cushion from all the injections, risk the law, risk infection just to do what.. win a trophy at a road race?

Come on...I feel like you're telling me the "dangers" of marijuana. You make it sound like everyone who wants hormone therapy will have to buy from some shady guy out behind the Gold's Gym. You aren't adding much to the conversation.

When done properly and at moderate doses, which would be good for an endurance athlete, but far too low for a bodybuilder, your body doesn't have to shut off natural test production. HGC is used to keep natural test up while you supplement a couple or few hundred mg of test a week. Anti estrogens help, like clomid, for post-cycle therapy in conjunction with more HGC. But I only speak from secondhand experience. I will go see my doc soon, since I'm almost 40 and I feel by 42ish, I'll want to bring my hormone levels back to my early 20's range. Why? Because I want to.

If you're trying to get super fast like the guy in Icarus, you'd be injecting 2x a day, 5-6x a week...and yes, you'd look like a bruised pincushion. But a lower-moderate dosage doesn't have to be anything crazy.

Nahhh I'm not trying to be a downer, just that taking some things are more involved than swallowing a pill. and yes, your body will stop production once you're injecting. Not trying to go all Reefer Madness, but there are consequences to use pharma.

Guy never said hormone therapy, in that case the doc will give you want you need and prescribe dosage and yeah.. probably like 100mg/week of test. so you would avoid clomid, and the dirty side of buying stuff off weird dudes at the gym or online. Also you'd get regular blood tests to check your levels.

If you're a runner and start a cycle of test. 150+mg a week you will put on a weight and retain water. Good luck cheating!

Definitely Cardarine. Best example 2008 Beijing Olympics. Look at who dominated the endurance track events.

For what's it's worth...i think it's fine...IFF you're not going to race.

Showing up to any sanctioned race taking something is disingenuous.

Thanks. Half the races out there don't drug test anyways

No drug tests = cheating galore! ?

Idk who you're talking about. I really wanna find out tho

Speak Up wrote:

Definitely Cardarine. Best example 2008 Beijing Olympics. Look at who dominated the endurance track events.

I meant you

Not hard to get at all. You can order online and get them sent to your house. It’s perfectly legal.

Very easy to find good sources online. And this stuff isn’t even illegal in most countries.

Totally not a big deal. I’ve been injecting myself for years and have never once had any kind of infection.

Just stop. You have no idea what you’re talking about here.

If your body stops producing test, you will need to run some pct after your cycle. Not a big deal. And your test level most likely will be suppressed, which is why you should supplement with a low dose of test, like at a TRT level (high doses of test aren’t really as effective as people seem to think anyway).

There are plenty of ways to manage side effects that don’t involve more drugs. But even if you do have to take something else, none of this stuff is expensive. You can get enough test and deca to last you for a couple of months, along with needles, syringes, some kind of aromatase inhibitor and even acccutane (if necessary) for less than $300. Most of you clowns spend more than that on alcohol and video games.

You won’t spend a lot of money, and your ass won’t look like a pincushion. But I do agree with you about it not being worth it for someone trying to win local races. There is undoubtedly a risk of long term negative health effects (especially reproductive health), and it won’t actually make you that much faster. I don’t know why a runner would really want to do it, outside of elites trying to shave every possible second from their time (although taking deca is insanely stupid since they’re pretty much guaranteed to get caught).

Sad that you explain away and justify every legit concern. but hey if you are going to do drugs.. you can explain away anything or justify it in some way.

If you're into bodybuilding I honestly don't care if you inject sythol in your biceps or whatever, but for a runner taking pharma just seems like a stupid thing to do.

Also the guy listed Nandrolone which would appear to be a very very poor choice for a runner that wanted to go down that road. Hell man, if you're gonna cheat, at least do it right.

NotPC wrote:

Sad that you explain away and justify every legit concern. but hey if you are going to do drugs.. you can explain away anything or justify it in some way.

If you're into bodybuilding I honestly don't care if you inject sythol in your biceps or whatever, but for a runner taking pharma just seems like a stupid thing to do.

Also the guy listed Nandrolone which would appear to be a very very poor choice for a runner that wanted to go down that road. Hell man, if you're gonna cheat, at least do it right.

I was addressing his points as a runner turned bodybuilder. Obviously deca is not the drug of choice for endurance athletes. I don’t know why it was even mentioned.

If he wants to cheat, he should:

testosterone

EPO

Cardarine

Low weekly dose of test. low... like 80-100mg/week... now the risk have already been debated.. you will have to inject. You can't take a pill.

EPO- again not pill and you have to inject AND the risks can be high. Too much and your blood becomes thick and you die (usually at night when you are sleeping.) Also this is administered as an IV not IM injection, so there's that.

Cardarine- the easiest to use, it's a pill, you can buy it all over the place. It's not testosterone, so no suppression, aromatase, etc.

Clenbutrol mentioned by the OP, aids in weight loss but most decent runners don't have this issue. Not something I can see even a mid-level distance runner use.