BYU Team Culture

dismissed for Honor Code violations wrote:

I've already mentioned I'm questioning my faith. I desperately want good information to research. But it's painfully sparse, both from the Mormon church and even more so from the outside. The trouble is that people on both sides have a hard time remaining neutral in their presentation of fact.

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Look, you don’t need to get into all of that stuff, researching this and that. Never ending squabbles about insignificant details.

All you need to do is start at the top with Joseph Smith. Once you realize what he was NOT, the whole thing falls apart. It’s all built on him. Either he is who he claimed to be or he was not. And he was not. It’s that simple.

John Utah wrote:

Look, you don’t need to get into all of that stuff, researching this and that. Never ending squabbles about insignificant details.

All you need to do is start at the top with Joseph Smith. Once you realize what he was NOT, the whole thing falls apart. It’s all built on him. Either he is who he claimed to be or he was not. And he was not. It’s that simple.

ya and then you find out what he *was* and discover he was a sexual predator conman and then you're like "whoops!"

John Utah wrote:

Look, you don’t need to get into all of that stuff, researching this and that. Never ending squabbles about insignificant details.

All you need to do is start at the top with Joseph Smith. Once you realize what he was NOT, the whole thing falls apart. It’s all built on him. Either he is who he claimed to be or he was not. And he was not. It’s that simple.

So, he's a phoney Johnny Utah? What about thee Brigham Young? Is he the real deal? Afterall, one of the top universities in the nation is named after him, and isn't the Hall of Fame QB Steve Young his great, great, grandson or something like that?

On the outside looking in wrote:

John Utah wrote:

Look, you don’t need to get into all of that stuff, researching this and that. Never ending squabbles about insignificant details.

All you need to do is start at the top with Joseph Smith. Once you realize what he was NOT, the whole thing falls apart. It’s all built on him. Either he is who he claimed to be or he was not. And he was not. It’s that simple.

So, he's a phoney Johnny Utah? What about thee Brigham Young? Is he the real deal? Afterall, one of the top universities in the nation is named after him, and isn't the Hall of Fame QB Steve Young his great, great, grandson or something like that?

Yes, JS is a phoney. BY didn’t claim to be JS so it really doesn’t matter.

John Utah wrote:

On the outside looking in wrote:

So, he's a phoney Johnny Utah? What about thee Brigham Young? Is he the real deal? Afterall, one of the top universities in the nation is named after him, and isn't the Hall of Fame QB Steve Young his great, great, grandson or something like that?

Yes, JS is a phoney. BY didn’t claim to be JS so it really doesn’t matter.

Okay Johnny but the university was named after Brigham Young and not JS. So, BY must have been one special original founder to have one of the largest universities in the nation named after him. Funny thing though, you don't hear Steve Young talk much about his great, great grandfather.

On the outside looking in wrote:

John Utah wrote:

Yes, JS is a phoney. BY didn’t claim to be JS so it really doesn’t matter.

Okay Johnny but the university was named after Brigham Young and not JS. So, BY must have been one special original founder to have one of the largest universities in the nation named after him. Funny thing though, you don't hear Steve Young talk much about his great, great grandfather.

Not sure what your point is. The entire religion is based on JS. BY led the religion for many years after JS, but the religion is not founded on BY.

I don’t have any problems with Mormons. They are good people. My only point is that nobody should go to BYU unless they are Mormon or intend to become Mormon. That is my opinion.

John Utah wrote:

On the outside looking in wrote:

So, he's a phoney Johnny Utah? What about thee Brigham Young? Is he the real deal? Afterall, one of the top universities in the nation is named after him, and isn't the Hall of Fame QB Steve Young his great, great, grandson or something like that?

Yes, JS is a phoney. BY didn’t claim to be JS so it really doesn’t matter.

Correct. I'd suggest you read "Under The Banner of Heaven" by Krakauer if you've got any inclination in being involved in the mormon cult.

Class of 2019 wrote:

To everyone asking if I am Mormon: I’m not, but I was raised in a very conservative evangelical faith and the honor code would be a non-issue, even a plus. I think it would be just fine

Keep in mind that you would likely only date Mormons and that would introduce a fairly decent likelihood of meeting a Mormon spouse.

That can be a difficult combo for someone from another religion. There are issues that you are not thinking about now because of where you are in life.

It is a beautiful campus and a great team, but I think you could find similar things at other universities and get a lot more money in the process. 9:05? You're good to go.

Class of 2019 wrote:

To everyone asking if I am Mormon: I’m not, but I was raised in a very conservative evangelical faith and the honor code would be a non-issue, even a plus. I think it would be just fine

Look at Liberty. They are having a down period but have had some national champs and all americans. Liberty would be a much better fit and its also a good place to run (around campus, trails, the facilities, etc.).

Class of 2019 wrote:

To everyone asking if I am Mormon: I’m not, but I was raised in a very conservative evangelical faith and the honor code would be a non-issue, even a plus. I think it would be just fine

I was in similar boat to you (4:09,9:04). I was raised in a very conservative evangelical faith and I based my college decision entirely on it. I was very interested in having an honor code too. The truth of the matter is that I now believe that it was a mistake to think that way. If you’re anything like me, the idea of going to a state school where everyone parties sounded awful and potentially bad for my my faith. I personally went to a small private Christian school instead of many other schools that were likely better options running wise and academic wise.

I based my entire decision on my faith, and I believe that was a mistake. As it turns out, I lost my faith after only 1.5 years. You may think that it will never happen to you, so did I. I was a very devout evangelical Christian who had read the Bible front to back several times and went to church 2 times a week even in college. At this point, I’m now at a small christian school and I wish I had chosen somewhere else. Keep in mind that I’m still running exceptionally well. This is school is an awful fit for me in everything that’s not running and I’m not quite happy

Ask yourself this. Do you have the willpower to stay true to your faith at a large state school? I know people that have, and there will definitely be a larger Christian presence at a state school than at BYU. I guarantee you there are great Christian groups at every state school, even the worst party schools. Are you thinking of BYU because you are scared of temptation? I sympathize with that because I was there too at one point, but I don’t believe living in a bubble will solve your problems. If your faith never gets tested, is it really that strong? I wish the best for you and I’m happy to help and provide the perspective of a guy who was in your boat

Wow. Great advice. Well said.

Great intent, yes, but this guy doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to byu. It's not like anywhere he's familiar with in terms of his evangelical Christianity experience. Some surface similarities, but it's not the same.

Umm not sure where you're going with all this and how you ended up in this rabbit hole. You're really jumping to conclusions. I'm not judging all mormons or all christians. I'm simply sharing a story about my family's experiences so that OP can make an informed decision. Whether the religious persecution we faced was institutionally backed BYU or not does alter the fact that it happened. My point remains unchanged that by attending BYU as a non-mormon you are taking a serious risk and making a serious trade-off relative to other universities with top T&F and XC programs.

Occam's razor applies here. Why do you think it is that every time there is a thread about BYU former students and mormons speak out against the university? Why does this happen to BYU and not other schools?

i know nothing but mormons sound fukin weird

John Utah - always a wet blanket. In that one post he added more to Letsrun than you have in all of your posts combined.

heyyo wrote:

John Utah - always a wet blanket. In that one post he added more to Letsrun than you have in all of your posts combined.

Look, BYU is a different animal. His experience, while totally real and valid for his situation, is not at BYU. It's a whole different thing at BYU and with mormonism in general.