I would rather burn all my money in a bonfire than pay for your f*cking healthcare

Just commit tax fraud. That's what everyone else does these days. Why play fair if no one else will?

John Utah wrote:

FelonDJT wrote:

The far cheaper option is preventative care, esp for the poor.

The far cheaper option in for people to be responsible about their own health and not make society pay for the consequences of their unhealthy lifestyle choices.

thats just not true. distributing costs across the population is cheaper and better for the economy than individuals saving in case they incur a high magnitude medical cost. that’s why we have insurance. sometimes you’re both so dumb and so confident you’re right that it astounds me. every time you post this happens. will you ever learn that not everything fits in your simple black and white conception of the world?

I prefer when every dirt bag Red State loser uses the ER for basic healthcare. That makes so much more sense, financially. Hence, Red States.

Brian Gates is not an accredited economist, nor does he hold an advanced degree in any of the social sciences. He is simply an enthusiastic young man with a sixth-grade education and an abiding love for trolling.

John Utah wrote:

FelonDJT wrote:

The far cheaper option is preventative care, esp for the poor.

The far cheaper option in for people to be responsible about their own health and not make society pay for the consequences of their unhealthy lifestyle choices.

How does that work on your planet?

Why Not Just wrote:

Why not just give me all of your money instead? I promise not to spend it on health care.

He already told you! It's HIS money and he'd rather burn it than give it to you to pay for your healthcare. End of story.

supnshit wrote:

Why Not Just wrote:

Why not just give me all of your money instead? I promise not to spend it on health care.

He already told you! It's HIS money and he'd rather burn it than give it to you to pay for your healthcare. End of story.

Then he doesn't want to engage in any risk sharing - public or private.

No insurance. No hospitals. No trained medical practitioners. All of these institutions and individuals have pricing which pays for others.

He can perform an appendectomy on himself. The self-sufficient marketplace rules!

Burn it on Youtube and I'll watch! Please post a link!

FelonDJT wrote:

supnshit wrote:

He already told you! It's HIS money and he'd rather burn it than give it to you to pay for your healthcare. End of story.

Then he doesn't want to engage in any risk sharing - public or private.

No insurance. No hospitals. No trained medical practitioners. All of these institutions and individuals have pricing which pays for others.

He can perform an appendectomy on himself. The self-sufficient marketplace rules!

I think john utah has performed brain surgery on himself, maybe the can work together!

You are totally wrong on this.

The overwhelming majority of healthcare costs come as a result of lifestyle choices.

I never said anything about sickness beyond one’s control.

Also, take a statistics class. I’m not sure why people can not differentiate between exceptions and the rule.

does not compute wrote:

John Utah wrote:

The far cheaper option in for people to be responsible about their own health and not make society pay for the consequences of their unhealthy lifestyle choices.

How does that work on your planet?

A planet where people act like responsible citizens. Crazy dream I have.

I cancelled my car insurance today. When I crash on the way home, all of you will chip in and buy me a new car.

Thanks for the tip, and the new car, Brian!

BOOTSTRAPS!!!!!!!

John Utah wrote:

The overwhelming majority of healthcare costs come as a result of lifestyle choices.

Provide proof for this statement, or continue to be known as an idiot who spouts nonsense. Your posts are littered with this black-and-white statements supported by no facts whatsoever. When you finally move out of your mom's basement maybe you'll realize how wrong you are...

old guy 71 wrote:

There are people who are either physically or mentally unable to care for themselves. Not everyone on assistance is looking for a free ride. Not everything is either black or white.

This is true. However, the intrinsic flaw of government entitlements is the phenomenon called "no less worthy." Wherever the line is drawn between those who get the entitlement, and those who don't, there are people just on the other side of the line that will argue that they should be included in the entitlement. In a democratic society, their arguments are obliged, and then the line is moved to include them. But this creates a new group of people who are just outside the line.

Every entitlement in our country's history follows this course. Some entitlements were for a particular war. Eventually they expired because every veteran of that war eventually dies. However, entitlements like welfare, social security, and Medicaid/care are constantly pushed to include more people and more benefits.

I think private charity does a better job of taking care of people because the people involved in giving the charity can make better judgments about who really needs it. When governments hand out charity, they are a third party and not as motivated to get the charity to who really needs it. It would be better if the government where not in the charity business at all. Instead of people spending fortunes either lobbying the government to expand or shrink entitlements, that same money could simply be given to private charities. It would be a better allocation of societies resources to get government out of the charity business all together.

Now before you call me a cold hearted conservative who doesn't care about the down-trodden, please realize that I'm arguing about what system actually works better in reality. Not just what system "sounds" the most compassionate.

FelonDJT wrote:

Too bad. You will pay for it regardless. You can pay for it in the form of higher overall healthcare costs, as people delay preventative treatments due to cost concerns, thereby escalating costs which are written off and then paid by the general public. OR you can invest in healthcare infrastructure which allows people to get say insulin and diabetes treatments, which keeps them out of the hospital and ER, and allows them to work and consume more and for longer, which is better for the economy i.e. you.

There is scarcely any such thing as "preventative" treatment. Modern medicine does almost nothing to prevent disease.

I'll be right over with a stick and some marshmallows.

Oh Please wrote:

Folks constantly say these things without thinking about the reality of not helping those that cannot or will not help themselves.

I am saying outright that I do not want to help others. I feel for people who can't help themselves, but don't want to make significant sacrifices for them. The government causes most of their hardship, and the only true help for them is relief from taxes and regulations. I have ZERO empathy for those who are irresponsible and will not help themselves.

FelonDJT wrote:

Too bad. You will pay for it regardless. You can pay for it in the form of higher overall healthcare costs, as people delay preventative treatments due to cost concerns, thereby escalating costs which are written off and then paid by the general public. OR you can invest in healthcare infrastructure which allows people to get say insulin and diabetes treatments, which keeps them out of the hospital and ER, and allows them to work and consume more and for longer, which is better for the economy i.e. you.

You allude to the laws that force hospitals to treat everyone regardless of their ability or intent to pay, but for some reason it doesn't occur to you that these can be repealed. You treat them as though they are immutable laws of nature that cannot go away. There is no reason that anyone has to pay for anyone else's healthcare if the laws forcing them to do so are repealed. This is obvious, yet many people such as yourself appear utterly incapable of considering any possibility beyond the status quo. What is the cause of this intellectual failure? Is it genetic stupidity, or does the modern education system somehow condition people to avoid abstract thought?