Claudia Lane vs Katelyn Tuohy time differences

Yes too much of a difference. Mariah Castillo's gap between the 2 girls is probably more telling with the other girls having off races in cold, rainy/muddy conditions.

It was also about 15 degrees warmer when Claudia raced in Division 4.

Lane's 16:59 at FL West seems fast however. She would have been 90th on boys side.

Crddf frfis r wrote:

Lane's 16:59 at FL West seems fast however. She would have been 90th on boys side.

In her interview she said she was just running to qualify too. We haven't seen her go all out yet.

As amazing both Tuohy and Lane are, we can't say one is better than the other UNTIL they go head to head. You can't necessarily rely on other runners as comparisons in every situation because sometimes people have off days (like Chmiel at Regionals for example).

GottaGoFast wrote:

As amazing both Tuohy and Lane are, we can't say one is better than the other UNTIL they go head to head. You can't necessarily rely on other runners as comparisons in every situation because sometimes people have off days (like Chmiel at Regionals for example).

We CAN, however, speculate and estimate. And using more than one person would hopefully negate one runner's 'off day'.

GottaGoFast wrote:

Crddf frfis r wrote:

Lane's 16:59 at FL West seems fast however. She would have been 90th on boys side.

In her interview she said she was just running to qualify too. We haven't seen her go all out yet.

As amazing both Tuohy and Lane are, we can't say one is better than the other UNTIL they go head to head. You can't necessarily rely on other runners as comparisons in every situation because sometimes people have off days (like Chmiel at Regionals for example).

I agree with this. We can always speculate, but Tuohy and Lane have essentially been running time trials all year, given their lack of competition. Real competition changes the dynamic completely.

I can't wait for FL. I wonder who will win.

GottaGoFast wrote:

In her interview she said she was just running to qualify too. We haven't seen her go all out yet.

As amazing both Tuohy and Lane are, we can't say one is better than the other UNTIL they go head to head.

That is true even if they both ran a similar effort ,which is probably not the case as Lane was only running to qualify

yet still won by 72 seconds (compared to Tuohy by 42), because the courses and number of runners were different.

The Footlocker field is limited to 40 runners, whereas the Nx field is much larger, which means two things:

(1) higher placing runners are going to get knocked around more at Nx and are less likely to be as close to the front;

(2) the much bigger field at Nx means that more runners should be closer to the front, though not always the same ones;

and (3) a confounding factor is that the course in Portland appears to have more running room than the one in San Diego.

Elaborating on #2, the top 40 predicted runners at Nx likely won't all fill the top 40 places, because some of the 41+ ranked runners will be ahead of them.

By "higher placing runners," I meant those who finished farther back from the leaders.

You do realize Lane didn’t actually race against any of these girls at the CA State Meet? Lowe and Smith raced at 9:05am in Div 1, Castillo and Herberg at 10:35am in Div 2, and Lane at 11:35am in Div 4. The temps went from 50s to 70s as the day went on.

sure lets talk about the colder weather conditions for california teams but lets forget about how the east coast teams (Tuohy) has to deal with a 3 hour time difference at nationals

Whovever started this thread is an idiot! yes you! 16:15..... wow

Powermerge wrote:

You do realize Lane didn’t actually race against any of these girls at the CA State Meet? Lowe and Smith raced at 9:05am in Div 1, Castillo and Herberg at 10:35am in Div 2, and Lane at 11:35am in Div 4. The temps went from 50s to 70s as the day went on.

Yes, totally. Not an exact science. I didn't post it here but going through earlier races where Lane did run against some of these girls, the time differences were similar.

So with Tuohy's dominant performance today, what would you say Lane would have to run in order to be considered even?

Right now, it seems like Tuohy is the superior runner.

If Claudia breaks Balboa's course record (16:39) she is the GOAT. That record has been there since 1990 and it's legit.

Rainsberger's record was only 2 years old. The FL course has so much more history. Though to be honest if Katelyn ran how she did at NXN at FL, I think she would dip under the course record as well so it's tough to say...

50's to 70's is pretty big difference, but you also have to consider a low angle sun vs a high angle sun as well which if its not shady can be a major difference.

Honestly, I’m not sure exactly how much Tuohy was hurting in the race. She seemed to really relax after the first mile. If she had run in the boy’s race, she might have run 15-20 seconds faster.

I was there.

It was very cool and overcast in the morning and very warm and sunny when Claudia ran. So you can't compare the times from the early races to the later ones.

Also, Claudia's race false started several times and that was extremely annoying. Claudia would go sprinting off and then get called back and do it again and again.

If someone got so much as a hangnail they would recall the race it seemed.

Someone has to tell you guys/girls to just stop... you can not determine who is the better runner by some damn subjective measurement you just made up... who gives a rats a%%... they'll see who is better every time they race each other in a few years and my guess is if they race enough it will go back and forth..... no need to try to determine who is the better runner right now. Really it's true... no need.

let it go.

Muddler wrote:

I was there.

It was very cool and overcast in the morning and very warm and sunny when Claudia ran. So you can't compare the times from the early races to the later ones.

Claudia broke the course record by 10 seconds, running a time that SEVERAL high profile girls never could, including Sarah Baxter, Amber Trotter, Julia Stamps, Sara Hall(Bei), Anita Siraki, and Kim Mortensen.

Jordan Hasay, in her best shape when she won Footlocker twice, ran over 25 seconds slower on that same course.

So I have a feeling that Claudia’s run was about as fast as she could have gone. Going by this chart, tho, it would seem Tuohy is still even faster, by at least 10 seconds.