Fastest two non-Africans have ever run on an eligible course are brasilian Ronaldo Da Costa (2.06.05 Berlin 1998) and Ryan Hall (2.06.17 London 2008 - apart from that downhill point to point 2.04.58 in Boston 2011).
I think ZR has a good shot at breaking 2.06'...
I think robertson can break the 2h06 wall
Amsterdam is a fast and flat marathon
I don.t know that ryan hall run sub 2h05 in boston ... such an incredible results for a white runner
KAV wrote:
Fastest two non-Africans have ever run on an eligible course are brasilian Ronaldo Da Costa (2.06.05 Berlin 1998) and Ryan Hall (2.06.17 London 2008 - apart from that downhill point to point 2.04.58 in Boston 2011).
I think ZR has a good shot at breaking 2.06'...
https://www.facebook.com/TCSAmsterdamMarathon/photos/a.199718356738747.48129.121063257937591/1542953625748540/?type=3
Odd prediction since Mo smoked him the other day and everyone here says Mo is crap at marathons.
How come wrote:
KAV wrote:Fastest two non-Africans have ever run on an eligible course are brasilian Ronaldo Da Costa (2.06.05 Berlin 1998) and Ryan Hall (2.06.17 London 2008 - apart from that downhill point to point 2.04.58 in Boston 2011).
I think ZR has a good shot at breaking 2.06'...
Odd prediction since Mo smoked him the other day and everyone here says Mo is crap at marathons.
Also odd because everyone here seems to think Galen will never break 2:08.
He'll blow up and run 2:11:32. Heard it here first.
rookie gets scared wrote:
He'll blow up and run 2:11:32. Heard it here first.
My gut agrees with you.
Hopefully, he knows what he's realistically capable of and runs splits to reflect that.
Need to follow the brothers a bit more i think.... first & foremost they have been doing a lot more mileage than MF over the last few years and racing a lot less - as for MF i am sure he can run 2'06 or better once he changes his plan accordingly (ditto for Rupp).
ZR just ran 61:40ish at the GNR without any tapering. I guess we will have to wait & see...
KAV wrote:
Fastest two non-Africans have ever run on an eligible course are brasilian Ronaldo Da Costa (2.06.05 Berlin 1998) and Ryan Hall (2.06.17 London 2008 - apart from that downhill point to point 2.04.58 in Boston 2011).
Toshinari Takaoka is the second-fastest non-African, not Hall. Takaoka ran 2:06:16 in Chicago 2002.
Robertson has a good shot at breaking 2h06, he is faster than Ryan Hall and he train smarter, he will maybe not reach this time (I would say 2.08) for his first marathon but I am pretty sure that he will go under 2h06 at some point of his career.
Yawn ....zzzzzzzz
We haven't seen the consistency from Zane Robertson to have a clue what he'll do in this race. His 1/2 M time, with very little slowdown from his 5000m and 10000m times, indicates that he should be very good at the marathon, but that would require him being in top form and most, not (Ad)ola, see substantial improvement after their first marathon.
survey says wrote:
KAV wrote:Fastest two non-Africans have ever run on an eligible course are brasilian Ronaldo Da Costa (2.06.05 Berlin 1998) and Ryan Hall (2.06.17 London 2008 - apart from that downhill point to point 2.04.58 in Boston 2011).
Toshinari Takaoka is the second-fastest non-African, not Hall. Takaoka ran 2:06:16 in Chicago 2002.
My bad you are right (by 1 sec...)
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/mmaraok.htmgianmarcocordella wrote:
I think robertson can break the 2h06 wall
Amsterdam is a fast and flat marathon
I don.t know that ryan hall run sub 2h05 in boston ... such an incredible results for a white runner
2:05 debut, doubtful, albeit perhaps at some point; I would give him 2:07 a, high 2:06 at best. With that said, I think both Roberson's will end up being better on the roads than the track. Btw, Zane looked really strong in the GNR, he didn't slow down, he simply could not match Mo's kick over 200 meters.
TrackCoach wrote:
gianmarcocordella wrote:I think robertson can break the 2h06 wall
Amsterdam is a fast and flat marathon
I don.t know that ryan hall run sub 2h05 in boston ... such an incredible results for a white runner
2:05 debut, doubtful, albeit perhaps at some point; I would give him 2:07 a, high 2:06 at best. With that said, I think both Roberson's will end up being better on the roads than the track. Btw, Zane looked really strong in the GNR, he didn't slow down, he simply could not match Mo's kick over 200 meters.
If we follow the formula of 2x your last half marathon time + 8 minutes he is at 2:10.
Allow for a super fast course and full taper, 2:08 at best.
How come wrote:
KAV wrote:Fastest two non-Africans have ever run on an eligible course are brasilian Ronaldo Da Costa (2.06.05 Berlin 1998) and Ryan Hall (2.06.17 London 2008 - apart from that downhill point to point 2.04.58 in Boston 2011).
I think ZR has a good shot at breaking 2.06'...
https://www.facebook.com/TCSAmsterdamMarathon/photos/a.199718356738747.48129.121063257937591/1542953625748540/?type=3Odd prediction since Mo smoked him the other day and everyone here says Mo is crap at marathons.
Zane is a distance runner. Mo is a 1500 runner who runs distance races because the competition is easy. Not so in the marathon.
Zaney wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:2:05 debut, doubtful, albeit perhaps at some point; I would give him 2:07 a, high 2:06 at best. With that said, I think both Roberson's will end up being better on the roads than the track. Btw, Zane looked really strong in the GNR, he didn't slow down, he simply could not match Mo's kick over 200 meters.
If we follow the formula of 2x your last half marathon time + 8 minutes he is at 2:10.
Allow for a super fast course and full taper, 2:08 at best.
So by your rule... Kipchoge 2'03'30 is worth 57'45" on the HM.... i dont think so.
Tadese HM world best of 58'2....is equivalent to 2'04'45.... which i dont think so either
So make it say 6 minutes, in which case Kipchoge 2'03 and change is worth 58'30, which can be, and Zane 59'47" is worth under 2'06, which can be as well as those two guys have been on high mileage ever since....
KAV wrote:
survey says wrote:Toshinari Takaoka is the second-fastest non-African, not Hall. Takaoka ran 2:06:16 in Chicago 2002.
My bad you are right (by 1 sec...)
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/mmaraok.htm
Wrong Khalid Khannouchi ran 2:05.38 as an American (Best ever Non Afican time not counting Ryan Hall's 2:04.58,) and Turkey's (Turkey is in Europe, and when you look at Tilastopaja's all time European list Kaan Kigen Obilen is at the top of it) Kaan Kigen Obilen.
The NON AFRICAN List is
Ryan Hall 2:04.58 (Aided)
Khalid Khannouchi 2:05.38
Ronaldo Da Costa 2:06.05
Kaan Kigen Obilen 2:06.10
Toshinari Takaoka 2:06.16
Ryan Hall 2:06.17
Khannouchi was born in Morocco, and one he has also a 2'05 which is still listed under his old country. The post is about "non-african" (born). so wrong
Hope ZR can set a national record (2:08:59 Rod Dixon - yikes!)
KAV wrote:
Khannouchi was born in Morocco, and one he has also a 2'05 which is still listed under his old country. The post is about "non-african" (born). so wrong
The Turkish guy is Kenyan as well.