There is no way they can justify DQ'ing Colleen for an infraction that hasn't been enforced for the bigger names. Mo Farah stepped INSIDE the rail, Jager stepped on the line.. USATF needs to at least file a protest and fight for their athletes/demand consistency from these officials.
Tinfoil hat incoming. Does anyone else feel that IAAF let Jager and the USATF "slide" on the protest because it was for a medal, while with Quigley they hit her with the DQ to "make up" for the Jager protest? Even stranger how USATF didn't bother fighting for her. They know they needed to take the hit. I guess the French and Kenyan federations at least step up to the plate to swing when it comes to their athletes....
She broke a 100% clear objective rule with no contact. There's no dispute to be had. Running inside has an advantage and she tried to take advantage of it but flew too close to the sun, end of story. Don't break rules if you don't want to be DQ'd
USAkarma wrote:
She broke a 100% clear objective rule with no contact. There's no dispute to be had. Running inside has an advantage and she tried to take advantage of it but flew too close to the sun, end of story. Don't break rules if you don't want to be DQ'd
I hope you get a speeding ticket or citation for rolling a stop sign soon.
Stop your bs wrote:
USAkarma wrote:She broke a 100% clear objective rule with no contact. There's no dispute to be had. Running inside has an advantage and she tried to take advantage of it but flew too close to the sun, end of story. Don't break rules if you don't want to be DQ'd
I hope you get a speeding ticket or citation for rolling a stop sign soon.
If I got caught I would have no case. It's a clear violation. She broke the rules and was caught. She has no case.
USAkarma wrote:
Stop your bs wrote:I hope you get a speeding ticket or citation for rolling a stop sign soon.
If I got caught I would have no case. It's a clear violation. She broke the rules and was caught. She has no case.
BS. You'd be complaining. I can assure you of that.
Stop your bs wrote:
USAkarma wrote:If I got caught I would have no case. It's a clear violation. She broke the rules and was caught. She has no case.
BS. You'd be complaining. I can assure you of that.
Yeah but he's not gonna go to court and say, "your honor I was speeding but please take my ticket away because it really was an inconvenience."
100% Quigley's fault. This was only a heat. In a heat you're supposed to run as conservatively as possible to make the final. No chances should be taken. Quigley should not have been anywhere near the line.
100% agree especially that by stepping on the line, she did not gain an advantage over any other athlete or impeded any athlete. Double standards are huge here in London this year
USAkarma wrote:
Stop your bs wrote:I hope you get a speeding ticket or citation for rolling a stop sign soon.
If I got caught I would have no case. It's a clear violation. She broke the rules and was caught. She has no case.
What are you talking about? You would be stupid for not getting a lawyer to plead it down to a lesser offense, which happens all the time! You just need to make your case, i.e. file a protest.
cantstandya wrote:
There is no way they can justify DQ'ing Colleen for an infraction that hasn't been enforced for the bigger names.
Yes, it's been enforced on bigger names. The biggest name ever in the men's steeple - Ezekiel Kemboi - was DQd for the same thing last year after winning a medal.
cantstandya wrote:
Mo Farah stepped INSIDE the rail, Jager stepped on the line.. USATF needs to at least file a protest and fight for their athletes/demand consistency from these officials.
You need to learn the rule. You are allowed to step on the inside if you are shoved there. You also are allowed to step on the inside if 'no material advantage' is gained.
I'd like to see a side by side replay of Jager and Quigley. I imagine QUigley is getting the DQ as she passed several people on the inside as she approached the water. So she was taking a risk and benefitting from being on the inside.
We've slightly edited our flash recap.
However, shortly after the race was over and before heat #2 even started, Quigley was disqualified for stepping on the line after the fifth water jump. Yesterday in the men’s steeplechase final, after a French protest, the officials determined that Evan Jager had also stepped on the same line but he was no DQd as they said he stepped on the line when it was straight and had not gained a material advantage. In this case, they did claim Quigley both stepped on the line while it was curved (which results in a DQ unless you are pushed or forced inside) and gained a material advantage and thus she’ll miss out of the final. Looking at replays, it appears Quigley actually stepped on the line twice, once when it was straight (which is ok as long as no ‘material advantage’ is gained) and then once when it was curved.
A few tweets for you to look at:
https://twitter.com/Steph_Rothstein/status/895360918649020416
https://twitter.com/FloTrack/status/895350591257546753
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/895363994701246464
https://twitter.com/usatf/status/895355759223025668
Quick Thought: The IAAF needs to change the rule book or build a rail
Ezekiel Kemboi‘s DQ last year was absurd. Same thing here. Quigley’s stepping on the line didn’t impact the race. The IAAF rule book doesn’t allow for common sense however. It says if you touch the line on a curve, you are out unless you were forced inside (like Mo Farah). Given how political shenanigans have impacted international sport over the years, we understand why the IAAF wants to leave very ambiguity in its rules but DQs like these in the steeple are unsporting. The contact rule is similar – should someone really be DQd for impeding someone at the start of a 10k?
If the IAAF doesn’t want people stepping on the line, they need to build a rail as it’s natural for the people on the outside to cut in.
Think about how an inside water jump is set up. It’s straight and then turns sharply to the left so people in front on the outside naturally will come in and cut off people on the inside. People on the inside like Quigley or Kemboi only step on the line when they are cut off by other making a hard left. So it seems reasonable that Quigley could claim she was forced inside which is what Stephanie Bruce is arguing in her tweet.
I am guessing the people that support the DQ have never run the steeple. You might assume that runners always launch themselves off the water barrier and land smoothly... never stumble or step wide to keep balance. Calling any infraction such as the side of your foot touching the line within a few steps of the water jump while surrounded by 8-10 other runners is ludicrous.
rojo wrote:
Think about how an inside water jump is set up. It’s straight and then turns sharply to the left so people in front on the outside naturally will come in and cut off people on the inside. People on the inside like Quigley or Kemboi only step on the line when they are cut off by other making a hard left. So it seems reasonable that Quigley could claim she was forced inside which is what Stephanie Bruce is arguing in her tweet.
100% agree. She made a great move to pass on the inside as the other runners left that door open. Disregarding the step on the straight (which apparently doesn't matter and was because of a stumble off of the water jump), it looks like Quigley had plenty of space on the inside and had pulled even with the Kenyan. Then going through the curve the Kenyan's suddenly on top of her. Really looks like she was squeezed out/impeded on. She had the inside position and was left no room by the Kenyan cutting in. We know that the definition of being "forced out" is ambiguous, so it sure seems like she had a case at the very least.. I'd say the largest injustice here is that USATF didn't even try (seemingly)! She stepped on the line in an attempt to AVOID contact, and it's ironic that had there actually been contact the ruling may have been different due to the contact rule coming into play - or at least USATF might have then felt inclined to protest.. I feel for her. And yes, these "rules" need to be addressed/changed. Too many inconsistencies/grey areas in the rulings, and way too many high profile incidents lately. It removes from the sport.
Going blindnessly by rules like machines is the lowest humans can get. What makes humans humans is their common sense and conscience. If those referees or what ever they are go blindnessly by rules, I suggest we let them go and use machine instead of them, that'll save some money. We have no need in some idiot telling us that someone stepped on the line and then pay this idiot money for telling us- the camera already told us so
Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it. Thoreau's
I watched the officials set up the cones before the meet started the night of the men's s/c. The first official put down cones every 5' or so for the whole length of the cut off. A second official ( dressed different so I presume a superior one) came and told the first one to remove the cones on the straight away & they randomly placed cones on the corners/curves. Eyeballing it as to say 'that looks good'. The whole time I'm thinking surely with all the high tech gizmos at a meet this calibre they could spend a few $100 dollars to have a form fitted rail made!!! That would completely eliminate the problem. Seems they just use an old school method just to open the window for athletes to f-up. In these incidences they certainly could have used more cones.
I think all these nonsense protests (NOP, France) are causing the officials to be a little more objective and strict, ignoring the causality behind infractions unless it's extremely clear that there's an exception to the rule. But these situations require subjectivity, especially when such ambiguity is left in the fine print and terms such as "forced inside" and "gaining a material advantage" are left up to interpretation. There at least needs to be consistency in how these infractions are evaluated.
