runninreed wrote:
Look, I'm a distance-centric person, too, but there needs to be more respect for the greatest athletes in the planet.
Let's be serious. The best athletes in the planet are playing defensive line in the NFL.
I'm a distance guy but am convinced there are at least 3 NFL lineman that could throw farther than Crouser. Tell me why I'm wrong.
Newhere wrote:
wewjreopos wrote:The clean world record is probably held by some unknown guy who threw 59 feet once. Anyone over 60 is surely dirty.
WTF. I have thrown 45 feet and I was a distance runner turned decathlete after college. I am definitely not very explosive. To throw 60 feet would require about 50% more power into the throw than me, assuming the same technical ability (which I didn't have great technique, so that is unlikely, all elite throwers have much better technique than me).
It is absurd to me to suggest that only dopers could be 50% more powerful than me. I never even lifted arms, only legs (obviously legs are the most important source of power in the shot, but the core and arms play a part too).
If you're going to pick an arbitrary line, you'll have to pick something higher, maybe more like 70 feet starts to feel somewhat superhuman.
Shoot, Eaton threw 60 feet. If he was doping, it would have been to improve speed workouts, I don't think it would have helped him in the shot much if at all. Surely you can see how a specialist could throw farther than Eaton by putting on 50 pounds of muscle over a 10 year career with out needing to dope?
Ashton Eaton's shot put PR is 50 feet- 6 inches, not 60 feet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_EatonCoach wrote:
DI Coach wrote:Because throwing events are mindlessly boring.
Are you really a D1coach? Hope not.
Believe it or not yes - and you've probably heard of me haha!
DI Coach wrote:
Because throwing events are mindlessly boring.
Not lately.
I've heard that Crouser wants the WR. I'd love to see him and Kovacs push each other for it. WRs happen so rarely in the field events, and particularly throws, outside of the odd event, like the women's hammer throw.
I know Valerie Adams is a kickass female shot putter, but just today looked at the all time lost. Holy shit, it's almost entirely composed of throws from the 70s and 80s!!!
Not a Sprinter wrote:
Newhere wrote:WTF. I have thrown 45 feet and I was a distance runner turned decathlete after college. I am definitely not very explosive. To throw 60 feet would require about 50% more power into the throw than me, assuming the same technical ability (which I didn't have great technique, so that is unlikely, all elite throwers have much better technique than me).
It is absurd to me to suggest that only dopers could be 50% more powerful than me. I never even lifted arms, only legs (obviously legs are the most important source of power in the shot, but the core and arms play a part too).
If you're going to pick an arbitrary line, you'll have to pick something higher, maybe more like 70 feet starts to feel somewhat superhuman.
Shoot, Eaton threw 60 feet. If he was doping, it would have been to improve speed workouts, I don't think it would have helped him in the shot much if at all. Surely you can see how a specialist could throw farther than Eaton by putting on 50 pounds of muscle over a 10 year career with out needing to dope?
Ashton Eaton's shot put PR is 50 feet- 6 inches, not 60 feet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_Eaton
Weird, I could have sworn he threw further. Guess I was wrong.
My point remains, though, even if he was a bad example.
I totally understand the skepticism - I pray Crouser is actually clean. However, saying that anyone over 60' is dirty is uninformed. I hit 64' in college and never used any drugs. I saw LOTS of guys make stupid gains in body mass and distance over my college career. SOME got caught.. so I get it. But 60' is a low bar to say peeps are dirty.
.. and that 64' was with me being small and relatively weak and small for a collegiate shot putter - I was 5' 10.5", 250lb body weight... 400lb bench, 400lb front squat.. 330lb power clean a year after a back surgery.
2 the Gills!!