If your feet are off the ground, you are not resting. And everyone gets the same opportunity to dead hang, so the baseline is the same for everyone.
Huggies Pull-ups wrote:
Crimea River wrote:There are many ways to run a 5:00. Various speeds like: 75,85,65,75. Same for pullups. Pace them how you can for a max outcome, probably going to be even with a hang rest or two.
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Nope. You don't get to rest in a mile. You can sneak rests in a set of pull-ups.
Far Gone wrote:
If your feet are off the ground, you are not resting. And everyone gets the same opportunity to dead hang, so the baseline is the same for everyone.
Huggies Pull-ups wrote:Nope. You don't get to rest in a mile. You can sneak rests in a set of pull-ups.
Yeah, dead hanging is perfectly legit (although pulling yourself up on the top of the bar and sitting on it isn't) but definitely not as helpful as you'd think as it's still taxing your muscles, especially those involved in gripping.
Try to hold onto a bar for 90 seconds - or 15 seconds with just one hand - I would bet most athletic guys can't even do that, and that's sure not gonna feel like a "rest" when you've about maxed out your pull-up muscles.
Nonsense. You guys must do crossfit.
Do you rest during push-ups too?
Huggies Pull-ups wrote:
Crimea River wrote:There are many ways to run a 5:00. Various speeds like: 75,85,65,75. Same for pullups. Pace them how you can for a max outcome, probably going to be even with a hang rest or two.
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Nope. You don't get to rest in a mile. You can sneak rests in a set of pull-ups.
Yes but you're still hanging from a bar tiring, Equivalent to slowing down to rest in a mile.
Huggies Pull-ups wrote:
Crimea River wrote:There are many ways to run a 5:00. Various speeds like: 75,85,65,75. Same for pullups. Pace them how you can for a max outcome, probably going to be even with a hang rest or two.
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Nope. You don't get to rest in a mile. You can sneak rests in a set of pull-ups.
If you can run 4 x 400 in 60s each with 20s rest you can and still run 5:00
Rest Homer wrote:
Huggies Pull-ups wrote:Nope. You don't get to rest in a mile. You can sneak rests in a set of pull-ups.
If you can run 4 x 400 in 60s each with 20s rest you can and still run 5:00
Then you're not really a 5 minute miler, are you? Or maybe you are a gallowalker. That sounds like gallowalker logic.
Eleven wrote:
Huggies Pull-ups wrote:Nope. You don't get to rest in a mile. You can sneak rests in a set of pull-ups.
Yes but you're still hanging from a bar tiring, Equivalent to slowing down to rest in a mile.
No. Similar but not "equivalent".
Rest Homer wrote:
Huggies Pull-ups wrote:Nope. You don't get to rest in a mile. You can sneak rests in a set of pull-ups.
If you can run 4 x 400 in 60s each with 20s rest you can and still run 5:00
Yup, was gonna make a similar point. You can "rest" during a mile as during pull-ups, but in neither case are you gaining an unfair advantage. The main problem with not allowing a deadhang is that there is no bright-line rule for what constitutes too long or not; is it 1 second, 5 seconds? Is someone going to sit there starting a stopwatch at the end of every rep?
Dumb crossfitters wrote:
Rest Homer wrote:If you can run 4 x 400 in 60s each with 20s rest you can and still run 5:00
Then you're not really a 5 minute miler, are you? Or maybe you are a gallowalker. That sounds like gallowalker logic.
What are you talking about? Do you know how much harder that workout is than just running a 5 min mile straight?
do you even run bro wrote:
Dumb crossfitters wrote:Then you're not really a 5 minute miler, are you? Or maybe you are a gallowalker. That sounds like gallowalker logic.
What are you talking about? Do you know how much harder that workout is than just running a 5 min mile straight?
Sure I do. It's impossible for someone who is only a 5 minute miler. That's the point. We're not talking about a workout.
The point is that just doing pull-ups in a continuous motion until failure will tell you all you need to know. Same as just running a mile all out. No need to get creative.
Nub-alance wrote:
They do help make runners faster? Is this based on your experience, or is it well known? This is good to hear.
There were multiple questions in the OP's post. One of which questioned the value of pullups as it relates to running, the other asking for the equivalent in pullups for a 5 min mile.
My original post contained exactly one question. I stated military-spec pull ups because we all know there is a huge difference between xfit and real pull ups. The military allows hanging in their fitness tests.
Basically, at what point is the number of pull-ups one can do somewhat respectable (not world class or even sub-local sub-elite, but not 8:00/mile equivalent either).
I am now curious if anyone has gallowalked a 5-min-mile. A sub-2:40 marathon?
Strength Equivalent wrote:
I am now curious if anyone has gallowalked a 5-min-mile. A sub-2:40 marathon?
Beer milers do that all the time.
Still see no reason why creative methods of attaining more pull-ups are necessary to get an equivalent.
15 seems totally reasonable as an equivalent. Being able to flail and hang and rest for another 10 doesn't make the originally attained number less comparable.
One way to look at this is to use the Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test standards.
3 events, situps/crunches, pull-ups/chin-ups, and 3 mile run. Perfect score in each category is 100 points.
To get 100 points for the run you must run 18:00 for 3 miles.
To get 100 points for the pull-ups you must do 20. These are strict dead hangs, you can switch your grip, and you can rest as long as you are still hanging on the bar.
18 minutes is not equivalent to a 5 minute mile in my mind but you saw more people get 20 pull-ups than run 18 flat for 3 miles. Then again more Marines like to lift weights than train for distance running.
It has been a few years since I was in so if the standards have changed recently, correct me.
joho wrote:
One way to look at this is to use the Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test standards.
3 events, situps/crunches, pull-ups/chin-ups, and 3 mile run. Perfect score in each category is 100 points.
To get 100 points for the run you must run 18:00 for 3 miles.
To get 100 points for the pull-ups you must do 20. These are strict dead hangs, you can switch your grip, and you can rest as long as you are still hanging on the bar.
18 minutes is not equivalent to a 5 minute mile in my mind but you saw more people get 20 pull-ups than run 18 flat for 3 miles. Then again more Marines like to lift weights than train for distance running.
It has been a few years since I was in so if the standards have changed recently, correct me.
18:00 is still the run standard, but pull-ups are up to 23 now for 100 points.
joho wrote:
One way to look at this is to use the Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test standards.
3 events, situps/crunches, pull-ups/chin-ups, and 3 mile run. Perfect score in each category is 100 points.
To get 100 points for the run you must run 18:00 for 3 miles.
To get 100 points for the pull-ups you must do 20. These are strict dead hangs, you can switch your grip, and you can rest as long as you are still hanging on the bar.
18 minutes is not equivalent to a 5 minute mile in my mind but you saw more people get 20 pull-ups than run 18 flat for 3 miles. Then again more Marines like to lift weights than train for distance running.
It has been a few years since I was in so if the standards have changed recently, correct me.
So 15 before the resting starts and 5 more are squeaked out.