Brodey Hasty 4:01.75

I posted under the name Integrity and I'm not Guy Avery. Not sure about Rules ....

Not Avery. Glad Avery has people out there who can actually think, who support him. While we are guessing identity, who can tell me who proposed pay to play, got rejected by Avery, then complained about pay to play to the AD and tried to ruin Avery's reputation?

They have already been called by name, and dude was posting on the other thread openly. I agree with your posting about the AD et al. Glad we can together on that one.

Leave it be; you are beating on a dead horse.

Kinder Kash wrote:

So the AD has been fired at Brentwood, now he is the AD at another school in Nashville. Fortunately, he paid the price for knowingly allowing a privately paid coach to be a coach at Brentwood High School. A 28 year career ruined over greed and incompetence. Guy Avery is down to 5 runners on his club team. What's next? How about Gary Kinder and his private training program at Brentwood generating six figures for himself through a non profit? He is on the track during high school meets. That's uncompliant. Period. He is not a coach on the staff of any high school in Nashville. Soon the program at Brentwood will be clean and operate under the same rules as the rest of the state.

You must really hate the Brentwood program.

Funny- you are still checking the site on this thread? It's an issue that is still active. It's a live horse.

Love the Brentwood program. Trying to make sure the rest of the state doesn't hate the Brentwood program due to private coaches who pose as volunteers to make money. Not a complicated issue. A complaint was raised at sectionals with the TSSAA about a private coach on the infield of the race. Why is this offensive to you? I would think this is common sense?

So let me give some insight into the upcoming complaints made against Gary Kinder. As a " non profit" organization he can use the Brentwood Track. But not the equipment, which includes the high jump, hurdles, pole vault, etc. that is owned by the county and only to be used by school employees. He cannot be on the infield of any race period. He is a private coach, not a school coach. These issues will be presented and resolved this fall at williamson county. They are already aware of the complaints.

This facility and equipment was paid for with tax payer dollars. We will not allow a private entity to make a six figure income off of our backs. Find another track to privately train athletes on.

Where did the former AD end up? RS had great hair.

Nashville Christian School. Go figure..

Kinder kash wrote:

I am going to start a new thread on this because it's gonna blow up. It's the final chapter in the Brentwood saga. There is a lot of chatter on this from other schools in the district, Guy Avery's people because they feel like it's unfair to them, current athletes at Brentwood who are tired of the pressure to pay private coaches to just compete on a public high school team. Those are the parties involved. I am only the messenger. Look for the new thread on Gary Kinder and Kindersports.

make sure your facts are indeed facts or you will have a lawsuit on your hands.

Dear messenger... wrote:

Kinder kash wrote:

I am going to start a new thread on this because it's gonna blow up. It's the final chapter in the Brentwood saga. There is a lot of chatter on this from other schools in the district, Guy Avery's people because they feel like it's unfair to them, current athletes at Brentwood who are tired of the pressure to pay private coaches to just compete on a public high school team. Those are the parties involved. I am only the messenger. Look for the new thread on Gary Kinder and Kindersports.

make sure your facts are indeed facts or you will have a lawsuit on your hands.

HA HA. Ya, be sure everything you post on that thread is factual. I'd hate to see anon posters be sued for expressing opinions and ideas some spoiled rich person doesn't like! You can sue, but will be laughed out of court. "Your honor, we are here today because somebody said mean things about my client's coach on Letsrun." Bwahhahaha

Smeller of Bulls Hit wrote:

Dear messenger... wrote:

make sure your facts are indeed facts or you will have a lawsuit on your hands.

HA HA. Ya, be sure everything you post on that thread is factual. I'd hate to see anon posters be sued for expressing opinions and ideas some spoiled rich person doesn't like! You can sue, but will be laughed out of court. "Your honor, we are here today because somebody said mean things about my client's coach on Letsrun." Bwahhahaha

No. That isn’t the issue. It’s much deeper than that.

Definitely deeper. And I have an attorney. I can support any accusation made against Gary Kinder. He is a private coach who is on the track during the season. He was a "volunteer coach" at Brentwood who built a business out of training student athletes at Brentwood. He was reprimanded last April by the county's attorneys and the school and was forced to form a non profit organization to use the Brentwood facility to earn a good living. All facts. This year he trained athletes after practice at school, but was on the infield of the meets as a parent and a private coach. Both are uncompliant. He uses the equipment at Brentwood to train his private group. That's an issue because that equipment was purchased by tax payer funds. Any lawsuit material so far? I don't think so.

Isnt this argument about those students that were excluded or limited in the training at Brentwood. There were dozens of kids at Brentwood that quit track and xc over the past few years because they chose not to pay the private coaches. Everyone acts like it's about getting better coaching and winning with faster times, no matter what the race is. Isn't this really about access to coaching and paying a private coach? These coaches are always available if you are willing to pay. The issues is equal access at the public school system. Private coaches simply can't pose as volunteers in order to gain access to start charging athletes. It's a controlled environment where they can exert influence to make money. Need proof? Check out Avery and Kinders program after the county relieved them of their roles as "volunteer coaches" at Brentwood.

Deeper still wrote:

Definitely deeper. And I have an attorney. I can support any accusation made against Gary Kinder. He is a private coach who is on the track during the season. He was a "volunteer coach" at Brentwood who built a business out of training student athletes at Brentwood. He was reprimanded last April by the county's attorneys and the school and was forced to form a non profit organization to use the Brentwood facility to earn a good living. All facts. This year he trained athletes after practice at school, but was on the infield of the meets as a parent and a private coach. Both are uncompliant. He uses the equipment at Brentwood to train his private group. That's an issue because that equipment was purchased by tax payer funds. Any lawsuit material so far? I don't think so.

Dude the guy literally won Brentwood the team title for track. Stop being like this...

I think the problem is as you stated. The guy pretty much won Brentwood the state title. The issue appears to be is that he is in violation of TSSAA regulations in so doing. My question, if it has been such a big deal, why don't meet directors remove him from the infield? I've seen plenty of parents and private coaches on the infield at meets and nobody says jack to them, but now its an issue? The dude IS helping the sport, even if its not totally above board.

Kinder kash wrote:

Isnt this argument about those students that were excluded or limited in the training at Brentwood. There were dozens of kids at Brentwood that quit track and xc over the past few years because they chose not to pay the private coaches. Everyone acts like it's about getting better coaching and winning with faster times, no matter what the race is. Isn't this really about access to coaching and paying a private coach? These coaches are always available if you are willing to pay. The issues is equal access at the public school system. Private coaches simply can't pose as volunteers in order to gain access to start charging athletes. It's a controlled environment where they can exert influence to make money. Need proof? Check out Avery and Kinders program after the county relieved them of their roles as "volunteer coaches" at Brentwood.

You have it wrong. No one was excluded or limited in the training at Brentwood because of the private coaches. False statement.

There weren't dozens of kids at Brentwood that quit track and xc over the years because they chose not to pay the private coaches. Crazy false statement,.

They did not not "pose" as volunteers. False Statement.

It is natural to lose clients after accusations, even if it is false. I am certain they will rebuild and be successful again. They are great coaches.