Donavan Brazier 3rd in his Diamond League debut, what does this mean for the rest of his season?

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8 years ago 06/08/2017 3:29pm EDT

Donvan Brazier ran a very respectable 1:46.08 for 3rd today in Rome in his Diamond League debut. Last week he ran 1:46.01 for 3rd in Boston so this was a better run but two decent performances vs good fields.

https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/872892903072317440

He ran much faster 1:44.63 way back in April. Last year Brazier ran 1:45.9 in January, then never beat it until NCAAs where he dropped his 1:43.55.

Of course he then signed his pro contract and didn't make it out of the first round of the Trials.

What do you think happens this year? I think he is a step ahead of everyone else in the US except for Clayton Murphy who is couple steps ahead of Brazier.

Brazier and Murphy make the team as far as I can tell. No one else who is a proven 1:44 runner is healthy right now in the US. Berian hasn't race all year. Guys like Harris or Windle could take a step up but as for now I think Brazier has some room for error. Be interesting to see how he handles pressure of USAs this year.

800 Metres - Men

Pts

1 Kszczot , Adam POL 1:45.96 8

2 Bett , Kipyegon KEN 1:46.00 7

3 Brazier , Donavan USA 1:46.08 6

4 Manangoi , Elijah Motonei KEN 1:46.22 5

5 Lewandowski , Marcin POL 1:46.51 4

6 McBride , Brandon CAN 1:46.69 3

7 Kipketer , Alfred KEN 1:46.85 2

8 Kipkoech , Nicholas Kiplangat KEN 1:47.09 1

9 Bube , Andreas DEN 1:47.33

10 Rotich , Ferguson Cheruiyot KEN 1:48.07

11 Amos , Nijel BOT 1:48.49

12 Kinyor , Job Koech KEN 1:49.73

8 years ago 06/08/2017 3:38pm EDT

re: wejo

it sounds like brazier is having a good season. didn't really hear much from him the last 5 months of last year. he has a shot at making the team, which is great considering most runners that go pro early don't do very well. also, nick symmonds is healthy and will be racing his last season starting with an opener this saturday. probably won't run faster than 1:46 all season though.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 3:46pm EDT

re: wejo

I think it puts him in a good position right now. He has a couple of high quality meets under his belt heading into Nats later this month. Who is coaching him?

8 years ago 06/08/2017 4:28pm EDT

re: wejo

I think he's got gonna make the team for sure. This shows that he's good in a tactical race, especially against a field of this caliber. In fact, this is probably the best and deepest field he's ever raced against and a 3rd place finish is great evidence that he'll be making the team. i think Murphy will win USAs, but Brazier is gonna be hard to beat into 3rd after such a competitive run. Hopefully Berian is healthy, but he's running out of time to open his season.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 4:32pm EDT

re: wejo

Poles are fast in 800m. That should be the news. Not some USA guy.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 4:34pm EDT

re: wejo

He's done obviously we knew that last week

8 years ago 06/08/2017 4:54pm EDT

re: Gotta bee

Comparing one 800 race to another is apples to oranges. Opening lap pace, positioning and the timing of the closing kick are always very different from race to race. You can run 1:44 for the win and then lose to someone who closes better in a 1:46 race. Brazier was right in it at this race and looks pretty solid. Kszczot always seems to be able to kick just that much more in races that are 1:45+, but is not as good when the pace is under 1:45.

Brazier flamed out last year after putting it all out there at NCAAs. Brazier went under 1:45 in April and should be in sub 1:44 shape by Nationals. Count him in for Worlds.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 4:56pm EDT

re: Gotta bee

I think it's a great sign. As I said in another thread, there are only about 11-12 Americans that can run 146 flat at all. The fact that he can negative split that with a last 200 close to 25 flat is a great sign.

If you asked me before today, I would have been fearful as to what happens if he gets to USAs and it's very slow. Now I'm not so worried.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 4:59pm EDT

re: wejo

agreed Wejo. Nice summaryHe was really close to first place and the guys he were racing are studs. no one ran "fast" in the race. if he ran 1:46.08 and got third but first place was 1:43.x or 1:44.low, then more concerned, but he was up there fighting with fast dudesNIjel Amos......what's his deal?!

wejo wrote:
Donvan Brazier ran a very respectable 1:46.08 for 3rd today in Rome in his Diamond League debut. Last week he ran 1:46.01 for 3rd in Boston so this was a better run but two decent performances vs good fields.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/872892903072317440
He ran much faster 1:44.63 way back in April. Last year Brazier ran 1:45.9 in January, then never beat it until NCAAs where he dropped his 1:43.55.
Of course he then signed his pro contract and didn't make it out of the first round of the Trials.
What do you think happens this year? I think he is a step ahead of everyone else in the US except for Clayton Murphy who is couple steps ahead of Brazier.
Brazier and Murphy make the team as far as I can tell. No one else who is a proven 1:44 runner is healthy right now in the US. Berian hasn't race all year. Guys like Harris or Windle could take a step up but as for now I think Brazier has some room for error. Be interesting to see how he handles pressure of USAs this year.
800 Metres - Men
Pts
1 Kszczot , Adam POL 1:45.96 8
2 Bett , Kipyegon KEN 1:46.00 7
3 Brazier , Donavan USA 1:46.08 6
4 Manangoi , Elijah Motonei KEN 1:46.22 5
5 Lewandowski , Marcin POL 1:46.51 4
6 McBride , Brandon CAN 1:46.69 3
7 Kipketer , Alfred KEN 1:46.85 2
8 Kipkoech , Nicholas Kiplangat KEN 1:47.09 1
9 Bube , Andreas DEN 1:47.33
10 Rotich , Ferguson Cheruiyot KEN 1:48.07
11 Amos , Nijel BOT 1:48.49
12 Kinyor , Job Koech KEN 1:49.73

8 years ago 06/08/2017 5:20pm EDT

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
I think it's a great sign. As I said in another thread, there are only about 11-12 Americans that can run 146 flat at all. The fact that he can negative split that with a last 200 close to 25 flat is a great sign.
If you asked me before today, I would have been fearful as to what happens if he gets to USAs and it's very slow. Now I'm not so worried.

But in another thread you said he's a lock to make the team, which is obviously asinine considering he didn't make it out of the rounds last year. He's obviously supremely talented and equally capable. That said, he's been pretty up and down in his short career with a couple of epic meltdowns (DNF at ncaa, DNQ at Olympic trials and didn't he get DQ'd at us juniors?).

Most of us believe he will and all of us believe he should but he is far from a lock to make the team. There is only one of those, and that's Murphy.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 5:24pm EDT

re: wejo

Splits and race breakdown? Hopefully Brazier will work on some tactics in these races.

-Stay close and kick last 100

-Lead from gun

-Run being boxed in

-go out slow

-go out fast

8 years ago 06/08/2017 5:28pm EDT

re: wejo

Losing to a euro in a slowish race is a bad sign.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 5:40pm EDT

re: Gotta bee

Gotta bee wrote:
He's done obviously we knew that last week

In case anyone is wondering this is sarcasm over the people saying he was done last week

8 years ago 06/08/2017 5:50pm EDT

re: thank you again, letsrun

thank you again, letsrun wrote:
agreed Wejo. Nice summary
He was really close to first place and the guys he were racing are studs. no one ran "fast" in the race. if he ran 1:46.08 and got third but first place was 1:43.x or 1:44.low, then more concerned, but he was up there fighting with fast dudes
NIjel Amos......what's his deal?!
wejo wrote:
Donvan Brazier ran a very respectable 1:46.08 for 3rd today in Rome in his Diamond League debut. Last week he ran 1:46.01 for 3rd in Boston so this was a better run but two decent performances vs good fields.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/872892903072317440
He ran much faster 1:44.63 way back in April. Last year Brazier ran 1:45.9 in January, then never beat it until NCAAs where he dropped his 1:43.55.
Of course he then signed his pro contract and didn't make it out of the first round of the Trials.
What do you think happens this year? I think he is a step ahead of everyone else in the US except for Clayton Murphy who is couple steps ahead of Brazier.
Brazier and Murphy make the team as far as I can tell. No one else who is a proven 1:44 runner is healthy right now in the US. Berian hasn't race all year. Guys like Harris or Windle could take a step up but as for now I think Brazier has some room for error. Be interesting to see how he handles pressure of USAs this year.
800 Metres - Men
Pts
1 Kszczot , Adam POL 1:45.96 8
2 Bett , Kipyegon KEN 1:46.00 7
3 Brazier , Donavan USA 1:46.08 6
4 Manangoi , Elijah Motonei KEN 1:46.22 5
5 Lewandowski , Marcin POL 1:46.51 4
6 McBride , Brandon CAN 1:46.69 3
7 Kipketer , Alfred KEN 1:46.85 2
8 Kipkoech , Nicholas Kiplangat KEN 1:47.09 1
9 Bube , Andreas DEN 1:47.33
10 Rotich , Ferguson Cheruiyot KEN 1:48.07
11 Amos , Nijel BOT 1:48.49
12 Kinyor , Job Koech KEN 1:49.73

Amos got tripped, fell and got back up to finish.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 5:53pm EDT

re: thank you again, letsrun

NIjel Amos fell at 400m - did a great job to be back within reach in the last 100m.

1:48 point after falling isn't too bad really. Prob went 55/53

8 years ago 06/08/2017 5:57pm EDT

re: thank you again, letsrun

Doesn't sound to me like many here actually watched the race.

It went out very slow despite the pacer going off like a bullet. He ran his first 200m in 23/24 pulling a big lead on the field who weren't interested.

The pack was tight and ran huge negative splits with incredible last 200s and last 100m from Kszczot especially.

Brazier tried to keep close order but the fast finishing Pole had the speed to take the win today. He actually did very well negotiating an experienced and closely packed field. He stayed out of trouble and managed to come through for a podium finish.

Kszczot is not slow as someone else posted, he has a faster PB than Brazier and consistently has run well in big races beating 1:42 guys all day long. He is experienced and it showed today. Great run.

Amos fell over when the pack was so congested so that's what happened to him.

The guy in last was the pacemaker who refused to drop out and ran 49.2 then 60.5.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 8:13pm EDT

re: 800ftw.

800ftw. wrote:
Doesn't sound to me like many here actually watched the race.
It went out very slow despite the pacer going off like a bullet. He ran his first 200m in 23/24 pulling a big lead on the field who weren't interested.
The pack was tight and ran huge negative splits with incredible last 200s and last 100m from Kszczot especially.
Brazier tried to keep close order but the fast finishing Pole had the speed to take the win today. He actually did very well negotiating an experienced and closely packed field. He stayed out of trouble and managed to come through for a podium finish.
Kszczot is not slow as someone else posted, he has a faster PB than Brazier and consistently has run well in big races beating 1:42 guys all day long. He is experienced and it showed today. Great run.
Amos fell over when the pack was so congested so that's what happened to him.
The guy in last was the pacemaker who refused to drop out and ran 49.2 then 60.5.

Thanks for the actual analysis!

8 years ago 06/08/2017 8:15pm EDT

re: wejo

wejo wrote:
Donvan Brazier ran a very respectable 1:46.08 for 3rd today in Rome in his Diamond League debut. Last week he ran 1:46.01 for 3rd in Boston so this was a better run but two decent performances vs good fields.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/872892903072317440
He ran much faster 1:44.63 way back in April. Last year Brazier ran 1:45.9 in January, then never beat it until NCAAs where he dropped his 1:43.55.
Of course he then signed his pro contract and didn't make it out of the first round of the Trials.
What do you think happens this year? I think he is a step ahead of everyone else in the US except for Clayton Murphy who is couple steps ahead of Brazier.
Brazier and Murphy make the team as far as I can tell. No one else who is a proven 1:44 runner is healthy right now in the US. Berian hasn't race all year. Guys like Harris or Windle could take a step up but as for now I think Brazier has some room for error. Be interesting to see how he handles pressure of USAs this year.
800 Metres - Men
Pts
1 Kszczot , Adam POL 1:45.96 8
2 Bett , Kipyegon KEN 1:46.00 7
3 Brazier , Donavan USA 1:46.08 6
4 Manangoi , Elijah Motonei KEN 1:46.22 5
5 Lewandowski , Marcin POL 1:46.51 4
6 McBride , Brandon CAN 1:46.69 3
7 Kipketer , Alfred KEN 1:46.85 2
8 Kipkoech , Nicholas Kiplangat KEN 1:47.09 1
9 Bube , Andreas DEN 1:47.33
10 Rotich , Ferguson Cheruiyot KEN 1:48.07
11 Amos , Nijel BOT 1:48.49
12 Kinyor , Job Koech KEN 1:49.73

Average field average times average run. Let's see how he comes around.

I don't like what I'm seeing at this stage of the season.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 8:30pm EDT

re: Weakness

Weakness wrote:
wejo wrote:
Donvan Brazier ran a very respectable 1:46.08 for 3rd today in Rome in his Diamond League debut. Last week he ran 1:46.01 for 3rd in Boston so this was a better run but two decent performances vs good fields.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/872892903072317440
He ran much faster 1:44.63 way back in April. Last year Brazier ran 1:45.9 in January, then never beat it until NCAAs where he dropped his 1:43.55.
Of course he then signed his pro contract and didn't make it out of the first round of the Trials.
What do you think happens this year? I think he is a step ahead of everyone else in the US except for Clayton Murphy who is couple steps ahead of Brazier.
Brazier and Murphy make the team as far as I can tell. No one else who is a proven 1:44 runner is healthy right now in the US. Berian hasn't race all year. Guys like Harris or Windle could take a step up but as for now I think Brazier has some room for error. Be interesting to see how he handles pressure of USAs this year.
800 Metres - Men
Pts
1 Kszczot , Adam POL 1:45.96 8
2 Bett , Kipyegon KEN 1:46.00 7
3 Brazier , Donavan USA 1:46.08 6
4 Manangoi , Elijah Motonei KEN 1:46.22 5
5 Lewandowski , Marcin POL 1:46.51 4
6 McBride , Brandon CAN 1:46.69 3
7 Kipketer , Alfred KEN 1:46.85 2
8 Kipkoech , Nicholas Kiplangat KEN 1:47.09 1
9 Bube , Andreas DEN 1:47.33
10 Rotich , Ferguson Cheruiyot KEN 1:48.07
11 Amos , Nijel BOT 1:48.49
12 Kinyor , Job Koech KEN 1:49.73
Average field average times average run. Let's see how he comes around.
I don't like what I'm seeing at this stage of the season.

Who isn't average if they're average? Cause basically all of them beat Rudisha in Shanghai. Murphy is clearly really good right now. More like average times with incredibly impressive and not average splits over the last 200.

8 years ago 06/08/2017 10:00pm EDT

re: wejo

wejo wrote:
Donvan Brazier ran a very respectable 1:46.08 for 3rd today in Rome in his Diamond League debut. Last week he ran 1:46.01 for 3rd in Boston so this was a better run but two decent performances vs good fields.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/872892903072317440
He ran much faster 1:44.63 way back in April. Last year Brazier ran 1:45.9 in January, then never beat it until NCAAs where he dropped his 1:43.55.
Of course he then signed his pro contract and didn't make it out of the first round of the Trials.
What do you think happens this year? I think he is a step ahead of everyone else in the US except for Clayton Murphy who is couple steps ahead of Brazier.
Brazier and Murphy make the team as far as I can tell. No one else who is a proven 1:44 runner is healthy right now in the US. Berian hasn't race all year. Guys like Harris or Windle could take a step up but as for now I think Brazier has some room for error. Be interesting to see how he handles pressure of USAs this year.
800 Metres - Men
Pts
1 Kszczot , Adam POL 1:45.96 8
2 Bett , Kipyegon KEN 1:46.00 7
3 Brazier , Donavan USA 1:46.08 6
4 Manangoi , Elijah Motonei KEN 1:46.22 5
5 Lewandowski , Marcin POL 1:46.51 4
6 McBride , Brandon CAN 1:46.69 3
7 Kipketer , Alfred KEN 1:46.85 2
8 Kipkoech , Nicholas Kiplangat KEN 1:47.09 1
9 Bube , Andreas DEN 1:47.33
10 Rotich , Ferguson Cheruiyot KEN 1:48.07
11 Amos , Nijel BOT 1:48.49
12 Kinyor , Job Koech KEN 1:49.73

Don't forget Shaquille Walker. He ran a 1:45:68 on 21 May and his teammate ran even faster.

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