We don't have 100% autonomous trains yet, yet we're supposed to have self driving cars next year?!

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

But who will do the investigation? Who can we believe?

You will believe what the government tells you to believe!

Why would you even doubt what they tell you is the truth?

Yes, of course. After all, "accidents" can happen to trouble makers.

Jetagimath wrote:

The Russians will start hacking these cars and causing them to drive on the wrong side of the road.

WHo needs roads?

According to Bloomberg, Elaine Herzberg was crossing the road outside of a crosswalk when the Uber vehicle, which was operating in autonomous mode under the supervision of a human safety driver, struck her. She died later in a hospital.

The state of infrastructure is horrid in the US

DiscoGary wrote:

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

You will believe what the government tells you to believe!

Why would you even doubt what they tell you is the truth?

Yes, of course. After all, "accidents" can happen to trouble makers.

That's right, Lying Gary, THEY are out to get you!

Beware.

Human error wrote:

According to Bloomberg, Elaine Herzberg was crossing the road outside of a crosswalk when the Uber vehicle, which was operating in autonomous mode under the supervision of a human safety driver, struck her. She died later in a hospital.

There are many roads without crosswalks where people might cross reasonably cross anywhere. A self driving car should be able to handle people crossing the road. The woman killed was supposedly walking, pushing a bike west to east, and the car was heading north. So the victim should gave been in view for several seconds as she crossed the opposite side of the road first. It's probably not a "person darts out suddenly, didn't have a chance to stop" situation.

Roads are for cars. Period. You're delusional if you think you have a chance against a 2 ton vehicle traveling at a relatively high rate of speed.

The woman killed was supposedly walking, pushing a bike west to east, and the car was heading north.

You forgot to add the word "illegally" to modify walking.

Human error wrote:

According to Bloomberg, Elaine Herzberg was crossing the road outside of a crosswalk when the Uber vehicle, which was operating in autonomous mode under the supervision of a human safety driver, struck her. She died later in a hospital.

Sometimes people/things are where they aren't supposed to be. Avoiding those people/things is part of driving.

A dog ran out in front of my car while I was driving to work the other day. I stopped. I guess I could have plowed straight through the pup on account of "dogs are required to be on leashes and aren't allowed to run around in the road," but I'm not a psychopath, so I pretty much subscribe to the idea that I shouldn't kill anyone/anything, even if they are in the wrong.

Wejo, we don't have self driving trains because A) Train travel is much less popular than car travel and B) the same reason we don't have self driving cars yet - the .0001% conditions like someone running out onto the train tracks. A human train operator can say they did all in their power to try to stop, the self driving train would just keep going at full speed.

Kvothe wrote:

Wejo, we don't have self driving trains because A) Train travel is much less popular than car travel and B) the same reason we don't have self driving cars yet - the .0001% conditions like someone running out onto the train tracks. A human train operator can say they did all in their power to try to stop, the self driving train would just keep going at full speed.

The reason is more simple: the RR unions will not allow their members to go jobless. For that reason only cars will be autonomous long before RRs.

Interesting person they had acting as the safety driver...

"Uber identified the driver as Rafaela Vasquez, 44. The company later clarified that the name provided by police is a name used on Vasquez's legal documents.

Court records show that Vasquez, under a different first name, has a criminal record including prison time for an attempted armed robbery conviction."

almostsbs wrote:

Interesting person they had acting as the safety driver...

"Uber identified the driver as Rafaela Vasquez, 44. The company later clarified that the name provided by police is a name used on Vasquez's legal documents.

Court records show that Vasquez, under a different first name, has a criminal record including prison time for an attempted armed robbery conviction."

Too bad. Betcha the narrative spinners were hoping he/she was an illegal.

Tempe police confirmed Vasquez's gender transition, and said she has not changed her name or gender markers on legal documents.

Court records show Vasquez has a criminal record in Arizona under a different legal name.

Records from the Arizona Department of Corrections show Vasquez previously served three years and 10 months in a state prison for attempt to commit armed robbery and unsworn falsification.

13-2704. Unsworn falsification; classification

A. A person commits unsworn falsification by knowingly:

1. Making any statement that he believes to be false, in regard to a material issue, to a public servant in connection with an application for any benefit, privilege or license.

2. Making any statement that he believes to be false in regard to a material issue to a public servant in connection with any official proceeding as defined in section 13-2801.

B. Unsworn falsification pursuant to paragraph 1, subsection A, is a class 2 misdemeanor. Unsworn falsification pursuant to subsection A, paragraph 2 is a class 1 misdemeanor.

Almost two months to the day after Uber loaded its fleet of self-driving SUVs into the trailer of a self-driving truck and stormed off to Arizona in a self-driving huff, the company is preparing to launch its second experiment (if you don’t count the aborted San Francisco pilot) in autonomous ride-hailing.

What’s different is that this time, Uber has the blessing from Arizona’s top politician, Governor Doug Ducey, a Republican, who is expected to be “Rider Zero” on an autonomous trip along with Anthony Levandowski, VP of Uber’s Advanced Technologies Group.

Good thing he didn't kill anyone as Rider 0.

Arizona has taken a “do what you want” attitude to tech companies and self-driving cars. Ducey signed an executive order in late August 2015 directing various agencies to “undertake any necessary steps to support the testing and operation of self-driving vehicles on public roads within Arizona.” He also empowered Arizona’s universities to launch pilot programs for self-driving cars, one of which involved Uber.

Starting today, residents of Tempe, Arizona, can hail a self-driving Volvo XC90 SUV on Uber’s ride-sharing platform. All trips will include two Uber engineers in the front seats as safety drivers, in the event a human needs to take over control from the vehicle’s software. Uber says it hopes to expand the coverage area to other cities in Arizona in the coming weeks.

Where was the other "engineer"?

Actually, the reason we don't have autonomous trains is cost. The railroads have heavily resisted implementing Positive Train Control, (which is a semi-autonomous system), because it's expensive to implement (and expensive to litigate which railroads pay what proportion when the tracks are shared under complicated agreements that go back decades). There's no question that PTC is way, way safer. Almost all railroad accidents are caused by human error, and most could be avoided with PTC.

800 dude wrote:

Actually, the reason we don't have autonomous trains is cost. The railroads have heavily resisted implementing Positive Train Control, (which is a semi-autonomous system), because it's expensive to implement (and expensive to litigate which railroads pay what proportion when the tracks are shared under complicated agreements that go back decades). There's no question that PTC is way, way safer. Almost all railroad accidents are caused by human error, and most could be avoided with PTC.

That and unions....