Hoka time to fly

one year to the the big 50 wrote:

As for Sage, my opinion, is not the shoes, but too much emphasis on ultra trail races. He lost his marathon speed stamina.

I don't think I've ever heard of an elite runner having a breakout race in a road marathon wearing Hokas. Nothing but underperformance.

It's an inefficient shoe for speed.

Does Matt Llano have the Hoka record? Didn't he run 2:12 in Berlin? That's probably equivalent to 2:08 in a pair of Adios. Heck of a run considering the shoe handicap.

Fairness matters wrote:

one year to the the big 50 wrote:

As for Sage, my opinion, is not the shoes, but too much emphasis on ultra trail races. He lost his marathon speed stamina.

I don't think I've ever heard of an elite runner having a breakout race in a road marathon wearing Hokas. Nothing but underperformance.

It's an inefficient shoe for speed.

Does Matt Llano have the Hoka record? Didn't he run 2:12 in Berlin? That's probably equivalent to 2:08 in a pair of Adios. Heck of a run considering the shoe handicap.

Yeah, but if you finish without injuries you can run a fast race in an event that matters like the mile, 2 mile, or 5K. For that you might put on different shoe...

Sandiegorunner wrote:

Nike has to be the worst running shoe to train in. Especially the Pegasus & Structure. Not durable at all. First month is great but not for long term. Hoka is probably one of the best out there. Best for recovery runs, long runs, tempos, but definitely not the best for speed workouts. Nike only has great spikes & flats. Hoka helps me with my posterior tib tendonitis that the Pegasus created.

Sounds like you were in the wrong shoes for your feet and not a Nike problem.

Nike has more $$$ for research and design than any other company= better made and tested products. I've come across far more defective shoes in the non-namebrands like Hoka than the namebrands like Nike/New Balance/Asics/Adidas/Saucony. Even a shoe like the Cliftons, I tried on different colors and was a different sizes depending on the color. I had to take a knife to the Challengers cause the heel counter hit the ankle bone. Felt like an ankle sprain waiting to happen in them- very unstable. Claytons had something weird going on with the raised/hard arch.

Fairness matters wrote:

one year to the the big 50 wrote:

As for Sage, my opinion, is not the shoes, but too much emphasis on ultra trail races. He lost his marathon speed stamina.

I don't think I've ever heard of an elite runner having a breakout race in a road marathon wearing Hokas. Nothing but underperformance.

It's an inefficient shoe for speed.

Does Matt Llano have the Hoka record? Didn't he run 2:12 in Berlin? That's probably equivalent to 2:08 in a pair of Adios. Heck of a run considering the shoe handicap.

What´s so inefficient about this shoe?

Not firm, you lose your natural spring.

Like I said, results speak for themselves. The Tracer is the worst shoe you could wear for a road marathon.

Fairness matters wrote:

Not firm, you lose your natural spring.

Like I said, results speak for themselves. The Tracer is the worst shoe you could wear for a road marathon.

You´re talking out of your ass. A shoe like Nike Vaporfly is a lot softer.

Idiot alert wrote:

Fairness matters wrote:

Not firm, you lose your natural spring.

Like I said, results speak for themselves. The Tracer is the worst shoe you could wear for a road marathon.

You´re talking out of your ass. A shoe like Nike Vaporfly is a lot softer.

But the results for the Vaporfly suggest it's not a soft shoe. And more elites are outperforming with the shoe rather than underperforming (wearing the Tracer).

There's never been a breakout performance when an elite runner wears the Tracer in a road marathon.

Please correct me with facts if I'm wrong. It's been nothing but underperformance.

Hoka west wrote:

I run the bondi5 for daily runs, the clayton for 10ks and tempos, Nike LT3 for 5k races. Hoka is a great shoe for me. another +40 year old runner.

I just ran a sub 36 minute 10k race this morning on new NB 1400V5 . Maybe I need to ditch the Hoka's. Haven't felt this smooth for years.

I use the zante which is like the NB cousin to the 1400v5 for road racing under HM distance

wouldn't want to use the zante/1400 for racing distances over HM (nor race in the Hoka for that matter)

Tracers look interesting but at that price/weight point there are so many other options

I think the Adizero ADIOS Boost is my next shoe to try, have not worn Adidas in decades.

I got a pair of claytons last year. Got 40 miles on them. Loved the ride but the way your foot sits down in the sole aggravated my foot. I have an accessory navicular bone and it inflamed it bad ..

True Nike does employ people in this area...the general public may get confused regarding a Pegasus yes many pros do train in them daily but they also train in FreeRuns, Distance, Streak LTs 3+/week. then having the faster cadence, stronger feet developed from above mentioned minimal shoes they still maintain an efficient form in their Pegasus. If you had issues with your feet/hips/ etc having a large interface like Pegasus or worse Hoka will not provide or advance a stimulus. Going from minimal then midlevel though will retain that developed strength...most likely staying at one for too long/too short recovery will favor injury. Assuming your average build, athletically inclined logics would be favored, you wouldn't leg press 7/days week to increase your squat?

fwiw Nike Pegasus 33s I sized up Pegasus 34s I stayed the same and went with 2E