Live free or die wrote:
Wtfunny wrote:"Free speech"??
Coulter gets $20 thousand for a speech. How is that "free"?
Compared to a $450,000 price tag to go bloviate on Wall Street, I'd say her fee was a bargain.
Are you talking about Obama's 400k speech? If so, is it really that surprising that a former 2 term president would command a higher speaking fee than a conservative media personality?
Hussein obummer wrote:
Righty Lefty wrote:You could've at least changed the Breitbart headline wording a little
Letsrun... home of runners and the alt-right
Why are there so many right wing posts on this message board??? Why are there politics at all?
Hi LIBERAL snowflake you sound triggered!!!!
literally the only people "triggered" are the snowflake conservatives.
Berkeley protesters and Berkeley students are not the same thing. A lot of people not affiliated with the school go there to protest.
Cal-Berkeley is an abomination wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:I'm shocked that some wacky conservative is disinvited from an institution that encourages rational thought.
Since when did Cal-Berkeley ever encourage any thought other than ultra far left views?
This is an example of an institution encouraging free speech:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/07/controversial-writer-ta-nehisi-coates-to-speak-at-west-point.htmlPrecious Roy wrote:
The reason the Ann Coulter speech is such a big problem is because there are alt-right groups that are showing up to try to engage in street battles with Antifa protesters. 4chan has been filled with chats by alt-right groups making plans to bring people to Berkeley to pick fights.
Of course, Berkeley students are known for their quiet, non-extremist nonviolent means of protest.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/24/berkeley-protesters-demand-spaces-color-harass-white-students-trying-to-pass.htmlClearly the violence must be coming from outsiders since these type of students would NEVER get out of control.
Wedefinitelycan wrote:
Trump's ties to Russia.
Laughable. US-Russia relations have declined significantly because Trump won't take any sh#t from Putin. Russia has been flying nuclear capable bombers along Alaska's coasts for a while, we have troops deployed all along the Eastern European border with Russia, and the US and Russia are supporting opposing sides in Syria. There are and never were any "friendly ties" between Trump and Putin. Russia is no friend of ours and Trump knows it.
Coulter is an obnoxious troll. That's her actual job, which is pathetic.
College students are overly sensitive. At Berkeley, to an extreme. This is also pathetic.
No winners in this story.
Apparently the truth doesn't make it all the way down to Oz, just the lies. The video piece of that, for example, has been proven to be false over and over. And over. And over.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Wedefinitelycan wrote:they can obsess about investigations like BENGAHZi which turned up NOTHING .
Mate 4 people died, and they lied about it, hid emails, lied some more creating a false narrative about a video, threw the video's creator in jail and then Hillary went back to bed.
Earl Warren wrote:
The First Amendment guarantees the right to free speech. It does not guarantee the right to a forum, an audience, an honorarium, etc. Coulter's free to say or write anything she wants and institutions and media outlets are free to give her a place to speak or not or publish what she's written or not. Catholic universities have a long history of not allowing abortion rights types to speak on their campuses. The American Legion isn't likely to have Jane Fonda as the keynote speaker at an annual convention. Free speech is fine.
Sigh! If only that were true. Instead, in recent years, nominally Catholic universities such as Georgetown and Notre Dame have given platforms or awards to abortion advocates such as Vice President Joe Biden and President Barack Obama - you remember, the former Illinois State Senator who insisted not only on abortion at any stage paid for with taxpayer dollars but who voted repeatedly to disallow basic health care protections to infants born with severe birth defects or who survived direct abortion attempts.
Cal-Berkeley is an abomination wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:I'm shocked that some wacky conservative is disinvited from an institution that encourages rational thought.
Since when did Cal-Berkeley ever encourage any thought other than ultra far left views?
This is an example of an institution encouraging free speech:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/07/controversial-writer-ta-nehisi-coates-to-speak-at-west-point.html[.
Berkeley hosted Phyllis Schlafly in 2009. Students packed the auditorium and engaged in a very long and vigorous debate with her on her anti-feminist views. Milton Friedman spoke at Berkeley in 1985. But these are conservatives who were real intellectuals and not alt right media stars. They did not have to rise to prominence by using hateful language to shock and dehumanize people who opposed their views.
That Coates quote is always taken out of context. He is just saying that his personal experience of losing a close friend to a police shooting made it hard for him to see the difference between the heroic first responders and the corrupt police officers who shoot innocent African Americans without justification. He was just being honest about his feelings and was not saying that 911 first responders were bad people. People had to dig pretty hard to come up with anything from Coates that is remotely close to what Milo and Coulter spew day in and day out. Coates writes for the Atlantic. He was even called out by Cornell West for holding back criticism of Obama.
*Disclaimer: threatening violence (let alone actually committing it) in response to a speaker you don't like is horrible, and the people doing this don't deserve the time of day from any reasonable mammal. These people are not reflective of any significant portion of the population, despite whatever bullcrap conservative persecution complex Gary is peddling (completely ignoring that Coulter has said some completely vile things about liberals as a group herself).
That being said...is her freedom of speech actually being denied if she chooses not to give the speech? She could still choose to make the speech anyway. I get that her own safety is more important, but blaming the predictable liberal backlash (some of which is legitimately peaceful protest, which doesn't make for a good story so you don't hear about it) as KILLING THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR seems a bit ridiculous.
Precious Roy wrote:
Cal-Berkeley is an abomination wrote:Since when did Cal-Berkeley ever encourage any thought other than ultra far left views?
This is an example of an institution encouraging free speech:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/07/controversial-writer-ta-nehisi-coates-to-speak-at-west-point.html[.
Berkeley hosted Phyllis Schlafly in 2009. Students packed the auditorium and engaged in a very long and vigorous debate with her on her anti-feminist views. Milton Friedman spoke at Berkeley in 1985. But these are conservatives who were real intellectuals and not alt right media stars. They did not have to rise to prominence by using hateful language to shock and dehumanize people who opposed their views.
That Coates quote is always taken out of context. He is just saying that his personal experience of losing a close friend to a police shooting made it hard for him to see the difference between the heroic first responders and the corrupt police officers who shoot innocent African Americans without justification. He was just being honest about his feelings and was not saying that 911 first responders were bad people. People had to dig pretty hard to come up with anything from Coates that is remotely close to what Milo and Coulter spew day in and day out. Coates writes for the Atlantic. He was even called out by Cornell West for holding back criticism of Obama.
George Soros - the slayer of Western sovereignty and democracy - wasn't paying people for the express purpose of rioting back in 1985 or 2009, as far as I'm aware.
I think it's pretty hilarious that "conservatives" call liberals "snowflakes," given that it's pretty clear on which side the extreme sensitivity lies. It's not with the liberals.
safe spaces for all! wrote:
George Soros - the slayer of Western sovereignty and democracy - wasn't paying people for the express purpose of rioting back in 1985 or 2009, as far as I'm aware.
How did you become aware that he is paying people for this at present?
This is a running website
You are all embarrassing yourselves
Poor conservative snowflakes. Has Congress made a law that prevents Ann Coulter from exercising political speech? No? Then I guess this isn't a first amendment issue. Sorry!
Ann Coulter is and has always been a terrible person who says terrible things in order to make money. She really does not deserve to be provided a platform at a prestigious academic institution to continue to do that. That said, shutting her down seems more counterproductive and less satisfying than letting her speak and then having someone calmly explain to the crowd why she is a stupid, racist fascist during Q&A.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VC8Or-PAJ1Q/VYrNOOt1dEI/AAAAAAAAOFg/fSLTID27FK4/s1600/coulterMccarthy.jpg
Silent-majorities wrote:
Democrats prefer fugly women like cankles Clinton, Sonia sofatsenor, Elena "pat" kagan, Maxine waters, etc.
Surely you're not implying that Coulter is any less "fugly" than the individuals you mentioned. Seriously, even the extremist of the right-wingers would have to admit that Coulter looks like "Death" from Monty Python's The Meaning of Life movie.
Live free or die wrote:
Wtfunny wrote:"Free speech"??
Coulter gets $20 thousand for a speech. How is that "free"?
Compared to a $450,000 price tag to go bloviate on Wall Street, I'd say her fee was a bargain.
Ever heard of the free market? Republicans love it to death. You get paid what the market decides you are worth.
FitzyXC wrote:
*Disclaimer: threatening violence (let alone actually committing it) in response to a speaker you don't like is horrible, and the people doing this don't deserve the time of day from any reasonable mammal. These people are not reflective of any significant portion of the population, despite whatever bullcrap conservative persecution complex Gary is peddling (completely ignoring that Coulter has said some completely vile things about liberals as a group herself).
That being said...is her freedom of speech actually being denied if she chooses not to give the speech? She could still choose to make the speech anyway. I get that her own safety is more important, but blaming the predictable liberal backlash (some of which is legitimately peaceful protest, which doesn't make for a good story so you don't hear about it) as KILLING THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR seems a bit ridiculous.
So your admitting that liberals are using violence to shut down conservative's free speech, but then blame the conservatives victim while simultaneously claiming that conservatives can not claim to be victimized.
I think these fascists shutting down free speech actually DO represent the rank and file in the Democrat party. When Hillary threw all Trump supporters into the Basket of Irredeemable Deplorables how many Democrats stood up and said "Now wait a minute! That's going way too far! I know a lot of Trump supporters who are decent people." ? If that happened anywhere I certainly didn't see it.
When Trump supporters were being terrorized and beaten up leaving Trump rallies how many Democrats said "Whoa!!! That isn't going to be done in MY name. The Democrat leadership better put a stop to this crap right now!" ? If that happened I didn't see it anywhere.
After it was found out that the Tea Partiers were being shut down by the IRS... You get the idea.
I don't see ANY Democrats here, in the national spotlight, or in person showing ANY compassion when abuses get heaped on Trump supporters or conservatives. There appears to be no moderating force whatsoever acting on Democrats. Everything is justified because we are hated to much.
Wow DiscoGary is the epitome of conservative snowflake.
DiscoGary wrote:
FitzyXC wrote:*Disclaimer: threatening violence (let alone actually committing it) in response to a speaker you don't like is horrible, and the people doing this don't deserve the time of day from any reasonable mammal. These people are not reflective of any significant portion of the population, despite whatever bullcrap conservative persecution complex Gary is peddling (completely ignoring that Coulter has said some completely vile things about liberals as a group herself).
That being said...is her freedom of speech actually being denied if she chooses not to give the speech? She could still choose to make the speech anyway. I get that her own safety is more important, but blaming the predictable liberal backlash (some of which is legitimately peaceful protest, which doesn't make for a good story so you don't hear about it) as KILLING THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR seems a bit ridiculous.
So your admitting that liberals are using violence to shut down conservative's free speech, but then blame the conservatives victim while simultaneously claiming that conservatives can not claim to be victimized.
I think these fascists shutting down free speech actually DO represent the rank and file in the Democrat party. When Hillary threw all Trump supporters into the Basket of Irredeemable Deplorables how many Democrats stood up and said "Now wait a minute! That's going way too far! I know a lot of Trump supporters who are decent people." ? If that happened anywhere I certainly didn't see it.
When Trump supporters were being terrorized and beaten up leaving Trump rallies how many Democrats said "Whoa!!! That isn't going to be done in MY name. The Democrat leadership better put a stop to this crap right now!" ? If that happened I didn't see it anywhere.
After it was found out that the Tea Partiers were being shut down by the IRS... You get the idea.
I don't see ANY Democrats here, in the national spotlight, or in person showing ANY compassion when abuses get heaped on Trump supporters or conservatives. There appears to be no moderating force whatsoever acting on Democrats. Everything is justified because we are hated to much.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/11/context-hillary-clinton-basket-deplorables/DiscoGary wrote:
When Hillary threw all Trump supporters into the Basket of Irredeemable Deplorables how many Democrats stood up and said "Now wait a minute! That's going way too far! I know a lot of Trump supporters who are decent people." ? If that happened anywhere I certainly didn't see it.
All the Trump supporters that I know are in the other half, Gary.
DiscoGary wrote:
FitzyXC wrote:*Disclaimer: threatening violence (let alone actually committing it) in response to a speaker you don't like is horrible, and the people doing this don't deserve the time of day from any reasonable mammal. These people are not reflective of any significant portion of the population, despite whatever bullcrap conservative persecution complex Gary is peddling (completely ignoring that Coulter has said some completely vile things about liberals as a group herself).
That being said...is her freedom of speech actually being denied if she chooses not to give the speech? She could still choose to make the speech anyway. I get that her own safety is more important, but blaming the predictable liberal backlash (some of which is legitimately peaceful protest, which doesn't make for a good story so you don't hear about it) as KILLING THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR seems a bit ridiculous.
So your admitting that liberals are using violence to shut down conservative's free speech, but then blame the conservatives victim while simultaneously claiming that conservatives can not claim to be victimized.
I think these fascists shutting down free speech actually DO represent the rank and file in the Democrat party. When Hillary threw all Trump supporters into the Basket of Irredeemable Deplorables how many Democrats stood up and said "Now wait a minute! That's going way too far! I know a lot of Trump supporters who are decent people." ? If that happened anywhere I certainly didn't see it.
When Trump supporters were being terrorized and beaten up leaving Trump rallies how many Democrats said "Whoa!!! That isn't going to be done in MY name. The Democrat leadership better put a stop to this crap right now!" ? If that happened I didn't see it anywhere.
After it was found out that the Tea Partiers were being shut down by the IRS... You get the idea.
I don't see ANY Democrats here, in the national spotlight, or in person showing ANY compassion when abuses get heaped on Trump supporters or conservatives. There appears to be no moderating force whatsoever acting on Democrats. Everything is justified because we are hated to much.
He acknowledged it happens, defended the reality that it doesn't represent a significant portion of the party, despite what you constantly claim. I don't see him blaming the victims. Then you come make this post and CONFIRM HIS POINT that you constantly try to paint the whole party as rabble-rousers.
Literally every thread there are those of us criticizing physical violence of protesters. If you don't see it it's because you are actively covering your eyes to protect your false reality.
Can we establish the Coulter was free to speak?
She pulled out after the student groups supporting her withdrew their support.
The university did a perfect fine job defending free speech to the fullest it is capable of.
