Would Farah have won world xc given the flat nature of this year's course?

So based off of that indoor 5,000 in Birmingham, and then the indoor 5,000 run by the boys in Boston, I'd say in the current condition of those athletes Mo would not have won that Boston 5,000. Oh wait, I'm now contradicting myself. Mo did win...Mo Ahmed. Farah would not have won. But unfortunately I have a feeling Farah will pull his normal stunt, and some of these guys may pick up some injuries before August.

lollzz wrote:

We have evidence that Mo can be the best in a 27:05 race, and we have evidence that he can run 26:40-high, but NO evidence that he can run 26:30 flat.

No pacer in championship races to make 26:30 happen. Which is why 27:05 is actually quite fast historically for a championship race.

Belle Knoxxx wrote:

But unfortunately I have a feeling Farah will pull his normal stunt ...

Pull normal stunt = continuously provide us with dominating wins on the biggest stage?

lollzz wrote:

same thing? wrote:

The same thing doesn't happen.

Farah just wins.

Last year's 10k was 27:05, which was the second fastest Olympic 10k ever and just off the Olympic record of 27:01. The fact of the matter is, on any given day, if anyone in the race were to run 26:30, it would be Mo.... he's the best in a fast or slow race.

Easy there, fanboy. We have evidence that Mo can be the best in a 27:05 race, and we have evidence that he can run 26:40-high, but NO evidence that he can run 26:30 flat.

We have zero evidence that anyone else can run 26,30.

Viren sat on varying leaders the first half and Pre for the back half like a BITCH

A bunch of guys have broken 26:40, and a few have broken 26:30.

Just no British or US athletes.

No but he'd be one of the youngest ones in the race.

That's actually probably accurate on both accounts.

actual skills wrote:

Year of change wrote:

I hope a new champion is crowned in the 10 this year. Someone who takes it to Farah...yet the same as usual will probably happen. There will be a lot of talk about how the Kenyans will use team tactics, but no one will sacrifice themselves.

Why do people always talk about team tactics and sacrificing as if that's what had to happen.

Nobody has to sacrifice anything.

Kamworor and Barsoton, hard from the gun. Farrah can't hang.

If Kamworor goes hard from the gun that is exactly what he is doing, sacrificing. There is not way in heck he can go hard enough to outrun Mo and still finish the race. This strategy would work well for Mo. The only way they're gonna stick it to Mo is if all three Kenyans agree and the worst one starts the race off fast, then when he can't manage 26:30 pace anymore, the next one hangs on the best he can for as long as he can, then he pulls back and Kamworor tries to hammer away from Farah, which will only work if they're at like 7k or so at this point. And even then it MIGHT not work. It's not as easy as "Someone should just hammer it. duh. easy." Because unless its an in-depth plan, it's stupid.

The only way for Kamworor to win is like the Aprot - Ayana situation in Rio last year. Have a defacto rabbit that ensures the fast pace at least for the first half. Now whether Kamworor can keep the pace is another question. I don't think he can and Farah will still kick to win.

On another note, why has there been such a lack of fast times in the 5000 and 10,000 the past few years? In comparison to a few years prior, times have been rather unimpressive (obviously from the standpoint of comparison the world's greatest distance runners.) 2012 had that amazing 5000 won in 12:46 by Gebremeskel with a horde of people under 13, and now we rarely see anything that would remotely strike fear into a guy like Farah.

Talent is as talent does wrote:Lol Kamworor isn't that great at 10k

is this a joke ???

this wasn't 12k or 21.0975km but ~ 10k !!!

he ended up slaughtering the best available !

he wasn't even in top shape with chronic lung infection which wrecked him in rio & necessitated a whole 3 months off training in winter !!!

he only came back earlier this year with 3rd in kenyan trials but improving to hammer barsoton who won those trials !!

line of form is that kid haggis who was 3rd in 28'37 v 28'19 for Kamwo

haggis was 3rd in ethiopian trials last year in hengelo at 19y in 26'57

that race had slow start at 2'43 which is 27'10 pace & still slow at 8k in 21'36 which was 27-flat pace

i have no doubt he couda run 26'50 - 26'55 that day if faster pace from gun

he was no doubt in similar shape here as a kid who was improving but Kamwo slaughtered him in a flat-out race !!!

using 26'50 - 26'55 as haggis' shape, Kamwo's likely shape on a track in hengelo wouda been

~ ( 28'19 / 28'37 ) * ( 26'50 - 26'55 ) ->

~ 26'33 - 26'38 !!!

& that is only a semi-fit Kamwo !!!, nowhere near peak of Cardiff last year before his lung infection

it can also be estimated what suicidal kick the ugandan put in

he was 12s ahead of Kamwo at 8k who was "even-pacing" to a 26'33 - 26'38

that means Kamwo was running 8k in 21'14 - 21'18 whereas ugandan at 12s faster wouda been looking at

~ 21'02 - 21'06

->26'17 - 26'22 !!!

no wonder the kid collapsed !!!

he was running at near enough track 10k wr pace at 8k !!!

Blah blah blah

Kamworor, unlike ayana, does not have the ability (relatively) and balls to keep the pace up in the track 10000m.

Belle Knoxxx wrote:

On another note, why has there been such a lack of fast times in the 5000 and 10,000 the past few years? In comparison to a few years prior, times have been rather unimpressive (obviously from the standpoint of comparison the world's greatest distance runners.) 2012 had that amazing 5000 won in 12:46 by Gebremeskel with a horde of people under 13, and now we rarely see anything that would remotely strike fear into a guy like Farah.

ABP mainly

Junior champ? wrote:

I'm not joking when I ask this, but does think he would have lost the junior 8K race? 22:40 is moving, especially considering those conditions and altitude.

It's also not an 8k- they mentioned how each loop is just under 2k and how the final one is roughly 200 meters short. So at the very least, his time converts to 23:30+ for 8k

Queens Queens wrote:Blah blah blah Kamworor, unlike ayana, does not have the ability (relatively) and balls to keep the pace up in the track 10000m.

is this a joke ???

what distance was this x-country race ???

did he he win it with a finishing dip or by slaughtering the field ???