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5 years ago 05/10/2018 11:39pm EDT

re: Bad Wigins

Bad Wigins wrote:
Flowtrak wrote:
Wrestling is not fighting. It is only part of it. Leverage is a big part, and most big guys rely too much on their size.
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.

Not true at all. You try to tackle someone like me you will have a hard time passing by my knees, someone already tried that, I ended up arrested, him at the hospital with a concussion. I've been in a few street fights throughout all my life, 4 of those after I became a karateka. I am firm believer in the pre-emptive strike after being pushed by any idiot. I go straight to the throat (literally speaking), eyes or nose, and I go as hard as can, no mercy. Theory is simple: If I hit hard enough to hurt him and put him out, no need to more carnage. There is very little you can do with your air cut off, or not being able to see. I've been arrested 4 times, all of them have walked out with a clean bill self defense. When you fight on the street, either you win or loose. Being handcuffed is very probable too, so you have to bear the consequences. I hate to brag, but seeing so much ignorance in this forum most likely posted by scroungy little pukes who think they are tough really irritates me.

5 years ago 05/10/2018 11:39pm EDT

re: Born in Guizhou

One of the best ways to generally prepare for physical adversity is becoming strong. To serve as an example, I don't care how much training a 11 year old has in whatever fighting style, if he's up against me he's going down.

5 years ago 05/11/2018 1:13am EDT

re: belial

Some street fighters know no martial arts. A black belt at my karate school got his butt kicked by a street fighter at a bar. Worst time to find out that your training is garbage.

5 years ago 05/11/2018 1:21am EDT

re: doctorj

Simply walk toward the attacker (who has any weapon but a gun), and throw a front kick straight up against his chin as hard as possible. Kickboxing thrives on this sort of move, and teaches the practitioner to execute it with such extreme speed, faster than the attacker can react, that it virtually rules out the risk of “fancy kicks.” Do it correctly and it will almost always break his jaw, crush his larynx, shatter his teeth, force him to bite off his tongue, etc. He will not fight after this. This sort of kick is well trained to the point that it can, in fact, be delivered efficiently, that is, quickly and powerfully, without being telegraphed.

5 years ago 05/11/2018 1:27am EDT

re: doctorj

doctorj wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.
Not true at all. You try to tackle someone like me you will have a hard time passing by my knees, someone already tried that, I ended up arrested, him at the hospital with a concussion. I've been in a few street fights throughout all my life, 4 of those after I became a karateka. I am firm believer in the pre-emptive strike after being pushed by any idiot. I go straight to the throat (literally speaking), eyes or nose, and I go as hard as can, no mercy. Theory is simple: If I hit hard enough to hurt him and put him out, no need to more carnage. There is very little you can do with your air cut off, or not being able to see. I've been arrested 4 times, all of them have walked out with a clean bill self defense. When you fight on the street, either you win or loose. Being handcuffed is very probable too, so you have to bear the consequences. I hate to brag, but seeing so much ignorance in this forum most likely posted by scroungy little pukes who think they are tough really irritates me.

Describing how much of a degenerate you are is bragging?

5 years ago 05/11/2018 1:51am EDT

re: doctorj

doctorj wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.
Not true at all. You try to tackle someone like me you will have a hard time passing by my knees, someone already tried that, I ended up arrested, him at the hospital with a concussion. I've been in a few street fights throughout all my life, 4 of those after I became a karateka. I am firm believer in the pre-emptive strike after being pushed by any idiot. I go straight to the throat (literally speaking), eyes or nose, and I go as hard as can, no mercy. Theory is simple: If I hit hard enough to hurt him and put him out, no need to more carnage. There is very little you can do with your air cut off, or not being able to see. I've been arrested 4 times, all of them have walked out with a clean bill self defense. When you fight on the street, either you win or loose. Being handcuffed is very probable too, so you have to bear the consequences. I hate to brag, but seeing so much ignorance in this forum most likely posted by scroungy little pukes who think they are tough really irritates me.

"He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." - Lao Tzu

5 years ago 05/11/2018 6:10am EDT

re: Jonathan Livingston Seagal

Jonathan Livingston Seagal wrote:
doctorj wrote:
Not true at all. You try to tackle someone like me you will have a hard time passing by my knees, someone already tried that, I ended up arrested, him at the hospital with a concussion. I've been in a few street fights throughout all my life, 4 of those after I became a karateka. I am firm believer in the pre-emptive strike after being pushed by any idiot. I go straight to the throat (literally speaking), eyes or nose, and I go as hard as can, no mercy. Theory is simple: If I hit hard enough to hurt him and put him out, no need to more carnage. There is very little you can do with your air cut off, or not being able to see. I've been arrested 4 times, all of them have walked out with a clean bill self defense. When you fight on the street, either you win or loose. Being handcuffed is very probable too, so you have to bear the consequences. I hate to brag, but seeing so much ignorance in this forum most likely posted by scroungy little pukes who think they are tough really irritates me.
"He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." - Lao Tzu

Good for Lao Tze, could cares less what he said. As I said seeing so much ignorance and armchair "experts" in this forum most likely posted by scroungy little pukes who think they are tough really irritates me. Want some advise? Go train hard, become strong, learn how to hit hard and how to get hit hard, spend some blood, a few broken toes and other bone fractures, then we talk.

5 years ago 05/11/2018 6:12am EDT

re: ouchh

ouchh wrote:
Describing how much of a degenerate you are is bragging?

Perhaps

5 years ago 05/11/2018 11:14am EDT

re: Bad Wigins

Bad Wigins wrote:
Flowtrak wrote:
Wrestling is not fighting. It is only part of it. Leverage is a big part, and most big guys rely too much on their size.
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.

This is a nonsense post. I've, unfortunately, been in and seen many fights. Almost all were resolved through punching and kicking. Most real fights don't last past the second or third punch, when one of the parties is already absolutely destroyed, on the ground, getting kicked, or decides to back off after the first exchange. Genuine wrestling of the sort mma aficionados imagine almost never happens - it doesn't work when someone is shoving fingers in your eyes, biting you, or whatever - there are no rules in fights and the other guy might have a knife.

5 years ago 05/11/2018 11:39am EDT

re: doctorj

doctorj wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.
Not true at all. You try to tackle someone like me you will have a hard time passing by my knees, someone already tried that, I ended up arrested, him at the hospital with a concussion. I've been in a few street fights throughout all my life, 4 of those after I became a karateka. I am firm believer in the pre-emptive strike after being pushed by any idiot. I go straight to the throat (literally speaking), eyes or nose, and I go as hard as can, no mercy. Theory is simple: If I hit hard enough to hurt him and put him out, no need to more carnage. There is very little you can do with your air cut off, or not being able to see. I've been arrested 4 times, all of them have walked out with a clean bill self defense. When you fight on the street, either you win or loose. Being handcuffed is very probable too, so you have to bear the consequences. I hate to brag, but seeing so much ignorance in this forum most likely posted by scroungy little pukes who think they are tough really irritates me.

we are all impressed to know you are the master of the sucker punch. You sir, win 100 points.

What I learned is you’ve done a great job of putting yourself in a position of needing to resort to physical violence and police action as an adult in no less than 4 situations.

That’s a feat in itself! As for the entire rest of the well adjusted population, no one actually puts themselves in a position where they need to “defend” themselves like you.

Good job, bro. We are in awe of you skills!

5 years ago 05/11/2018 1:38pm EDT

re: Karate Frauds

Karate Frauds wrote:
I was in the Marines with a guy who was a black belt. He was always trying to demonstrate his moves. They would inevitably fail and he would always blame us because we didn't attack him the way we were supposed to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAfewfX0Los

5 years ago 05/11/2018 4:21pm EDT

re: back woods

back woods wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.
This is a nonsense post. I've, unfortunately, been in and seen many fights. Almost all were resolved through punching and kicking. Most real fights don't last past the second or third punch, when one of the parties is already absolutely destroyed, on the ground, getting kicked, or decides to back off after the first exchange. Genuine wrestling of the sort mma aficionados imagine almost never happens - it doesn't work when someone is shoving fingers in your eyes, biting you, or whatever - there are no rules in fights and the other guy might have a knife.

There are literally thousands of street fights on YouTube now, and you only need watch a dozen or so of them at random to see your claim is false. Most real fights (unless mismatched or involving a sucker punch) do last more than 1 or 2 punches and will inevitably involve grappling. There are countless examples on YouTube of guys with even limited wrestling skills destroying their opponent. I don't know where you come from, I assume some Brazillian favela or some Third World hell hole, but in the developed world, most fights dont involve knives or eyes getting gouged out. Generally, people don't want to go to prison for life in places like Europe or America and would only resort to such tactics if their lives were threatened. In any case, I don't know why you think wrestling would be less effective than striking against a knife. Only running or carrying a gun is a safe bet against a knife.

If eye gouging and biting was allowed in the UFC, then wrestlers would win every time. When headbutts were made illegal, it took away the dominance of the wrestlers like Mark Coleman. The guy on top and in control is always in a better position to bite or gouge. Mark Kerr, another American wrestler, actually won one fight by eye gouging his opponent (with his chin - technically within the rules at the time!).

5 years ago 05/14/2018 3:53pm EDT

re: Fake fighting

Fake fighting wrote:
How many alleged third degree black belts in taekwondo have ever hit someone or been hit. None

The "which martial art is best" argument always seems to devolve into a religious discussion.

5 years ago 05/18/2018 4:49pm EDT

re: doctorj

5 years ago 05/18/2018 5:03pm EDT

re: Actual story (brown only)

Brown belt, Kelly Soutar, was followed and attacked by two illegal immigrants on her way home from a nightclub in Forfar, Scotland. The men, Shehab Smekramuddin and Mohammad Islam were humiliated and jailed for their attack. Dundee Sheriff Court prosecutor Eilidh Robertson told the jury that Ms. Soutar ‘admitted she punched one of the men – kicked him the balls in her words’ to free herself from the attackers, who had her pinned face down to the ground.

The welder and brown belt in karate said her self-defence training kicked in allowing her to punch, headbutt and kick the duo before making off.
‘Muscle memory took over and my body just reacted on its own.’
‘I managed to dislodge the guy off my back and as soon as he was off balance I pushed him away and just ran.’ Ms. Soutar explains.

The pair were jailed for three years each and now face deportation to their native Bangladesh when their sentences expire.

Ms. Soutar hopes her story will encourage other women to take self defence classes to allow them to be safe.

5 years ago 06/29/2018 12:11pm EDT

re: doctorj

doctorj wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.
Not true at all. You try to tackle someone like me you will have a hard time passing by my knees, someone already tried that, I ended up arrested, him at the hospital with a concussion. I've been in a few street fights throughout all my life, 4 of those after I became a karateka. I am firm believer in the pre-emptive strike after being pushed by any idiot. I go straight to the throat (literally speaking), eyes or nose, and I go as hard as can, no mercy. Theory is simple: If I hit hard enough to hurt him and put him out, no need to more carnage. There is very little you can do with your air cut off, or not being able to see. I've been arrested 4 times, all of them have walked out with a clean bill self defense. When you fight on the street, either you win or loose. Being handcuffed is very probable too, so you have to bear the consequences. I hate to brag, but seeing so much ignorance in this forum most likely posted by scroungy little pukes who think they are tough really irritates me.

You seriously need to be taken off of the streets. Not a prison cell, because you're obviously making this stuff up, but rather an asylum cell with padded walls.

Having said, I think your local police do need to be alerted just in case of the small possibility you really have tried to permanently maim random people in the street for... 'irritating you'. BTW, I've trained for years in MMA with coaches who have worked UFC top 10 fighters. If you are the person who has made anonymous death threats against me here, I'm pretty confident I could get past your knees and pound your scrawny McDojo head into realizing what real fighting is all about.

5 years ago 06/29/2018 2:33pm EDT

re: Fake fighting

Fake fighting wrote:
How many alleged third degree black belts in taekwondo have ever hit someone or been hit.

Yes, probably, to Karate, but go ahead and fight a black belt in BJJ. See what happens.

5 years ago 06/29/2018 2:39pm EDT

re: doctorj

doctorj wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.
Not true at all. You try to tackle someone like me you will have a hard time passing by my knees, someone already tried that, I ended up arrested, him at the hospital with a concussion. I've been in a few street fights throughout all my life, 4 of those after I became a karateka. I am firm believer in the pre-emptive strike after being pushed by any idiot. I go straight to the throat (literally speaking), eyes or nose, and I go as hard as can, no mercy. Theory is simple: If I hit hard enough to hurt him and put him out, no need to more carnage. There is very little you can do with your air cut off, or not being able to see. I've been arrested 4 times, all of them have walked out with a clean bill self defense. When you fight on the street, either you win or loose. Being handcuffed is very probable too, so you have to bear the consequences. I hate to brag, but seeing so much ignorance in this forum most likely posted by scroungy little pukes who think they are tough really irritates me.

yo, come at me bro

5 years ago 06/29/2018 3:24pm EDT

re: Bad Wigins

Bad Wigins wrote:
Flowtrak wrote:
Wrestling is not fighting. It is only part of it. Leverage is a big part, and most big guys rely too much on their size.
That long speech and then you basically say you've never been in a fight either...
all real fights are settled by wrestling. Boxing is meaningless foreplay, even if you manage to maintain good form under adrenaline.
Tackle your opponent quickly and the fight is over. It's very easy if you know how, and not hard to learn.

This tells me you are an idiot. Unless you are sure it is a one on one situation, why the hell would you ever go to the ground? you are just asking to get your head kicked in.

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