People here don't seem to recognise what a 5.82 pole vault is. Questioning whether he would make a major final and saying he needs to jump a lot higher to be a major medal contender.
https://www.olympic.org/rio-2016/athletics/pole-vault-men
This kid can win a medal in the world champs THIS YEAR. He is a high schooler. This is unreal. Way better than Webb's 3:53 mile.
Best high school vaulter since Casey Carrigan, who was, I believe -- I looked it up a long time ago -- five inches off the world record as a prep.
Scary heights wrote:
People here don't seem to recognise what a 5.82 pole vault is. Questioning whether he would make a major final and saying he needs to jump a lot higher to be a major medal contender.
https://www.olympic.org/rio-2016/athletics/pole-vault-menThis kid can win a medal in the world champs THIS YEAR. He is a high schooler. This is unreal. Way better than Webb's 3:53 mile.
THIS
I can't miss the chance to watch him at state in Baton Rouge. And there aren't many things that could drag me to that hell hole, but this kid, even if he plateaus TODAY, will be a medal contender for years.
My only worry is the yips, like hooker and to a lesser extent brad walker. This kid is fearless...if a pole breaks or he falls on his head the fear could really mess him up.
Always a problem in the PV, but probably esp when a kid improves so fast. It's all about momentum.
Generally you get about 10 feet conversion from the 12-16. So carters 81and change could be around 71 feet, 71 feet has placed at many worlds and olympics
shotputter wrote:
Generally you get about 10 feet conversion from the 12-16. So carters 81and change could be around 71 feet, 71 feet has placed at many worlds and olympics
Carter's best with the 16lb ball as a high schooler is 67-9, a national record which was broken last month by Jordan Geist out of PA at 68-4, in another horribly overlooked high school performance.
(Geist is currently world #11, which is COMPLETELY INSANE for a high school shotputter!)
Carter's best throw ever with the 16 pounder was his senior year of college at 71-5, so 71' as a high schooler was pretty unlikely....and again, we're talking about one single freaky throw.
I would think the world junior record in the 60 hurdles set by Trey Cunningham a couple days ago would actually be the best HS performance ever?
7.40 is nutzz, even if a few cm lower than standard hurdles.
M.C. Confusing wrote:
Jayordon wrote:Idk man. That would still make her and the other girl professional records. Google searches would bring up info about them but there's really nothing on there about them. If the kid was just starting his running career then he wouldn't be running that fast. Especially at altitude and a road race rather than a track. Not to mention that then next person behind him was almost a minute behind so he had no competition. What do you normally run?
You can find her if you are looking.
She is British. She generally runs 10K and Halfs. Her 10K PR is listed as 32:48, her Half is listed at 78:07, and her 5K PR is listed as 16:41. So either she just PRed by two minutes, or the course is ridiculously short.
Well her 5k was slower than her 10k pace so obviously she had a lot of run too improve, and even at that a 78:07 half is a lot better than a 32:48 10k so she was due for a huge 5k PR.
The course was most definitely short or something, but she's definitely a lot better than a 16:41
starmiler wrote:
Best high school vaulter since Casey Carrigan, who was, I believe -- I looked it up a long time ago -- five inches off the world record as a prep.
Yes, thank you! I made the comparison in an interview I did with Milesplit, which Mondo's grandpa enjoyed :)
There are several similarities between the two. Both grew up with pole vault pits in their backyards. Carrigan is reported to have jumped his age from 7-17, a feat Mondo also accomplished (and then surpassed).
Carrigan made the 1968 US Olympic Team the summer after his junior year of HS. He would have made the finals were it not for a rule at the time counting a jump as a miss if the pole went under the bar.
The summer after his senior year he vaulted 17'4.75" for a HS record and which still stands today as the Washington state HS record. He then attempted 17'10 and some change which would have broken the world record.
I remember when Tommy Skipper was threatening, and eventually broke, the HS record. I always said that a high schooler would have to jump 19' to be comparable to Carrigan.
Mondo just got unlucky with the Olympics falling a year before he was ready, but he has far surpassed last year's Olympic standard this year. He won't be attempting the world record as a high schooler, but in the late 60s, fiberglass poles were still relatively new and the world record was soft compared to today.
Unfortunately, Carrigan burned out after high school and never lived up to expectations, but he was a country boy from rural Washington who had a big culture shock when he went off to college. Mondo won't have that shock when he transitions out of high school to whatever path he chooses.
I've always believed Carrigan was the greatest prep vaulter of all time, until Mondo this year :)
That pole vault is one cm below the British record
As for Colorado Springs race
That 14 year old appears in the kids race with the same time
The timing is screwed up,like most Colorado Springs races
Ultimate hurdler wrote:
I would think the world junior record in the 60 hurdles set by Trey Cunningham a couple days ago would actually be the best HS performance ever?
7.40 is nutzz, even if a few cm lower than standard hurdles.
Nehemiah ran 12.9 in high school over slightly lower hurdles.
I ran a 4:39 mile in high school while legally intoxicated from a party the night before. Mondo may have to jump a little higher to top that.
asdaf wrote:
Duplantis's development has been phenomenal all along the way. This was foreseen years ago. The only questions were whether he'd do the right thing and compete for the United States, instead of Sweden, and eventually break the world record or stall out below 20'.
Why is "doing the right thing" competing for the USA? Your impertinence know no boundaries.
Taking off that far under has taken out many pole vaulters with back problems that they never recover from. Hopefully he can move to a more free take off position soon.
Evolving wrote:
Honestly, I think the world is evolving. I was at a St Patty's 5k today and some kid who just turned 14 ran 13:57 (Yes 4:30 pace)
http://www.ccrtiming.com/events-results/2017-results/st-pats.htmSeriously what is the f'n 14 year old WR for the 5k? Especially given he ran this at 6,200 feet. That must equates to a sub 4 mile for a kid that young if he ran it at sea level.
You are a moron. No 14 year old ran 13:57. Not even a Kenyan one. Not even a juiced Kenyan one. Why don't you check your facts, or even better the length of the course, before posting garbage like this. It was probably a 2 mile downhill with a tailwind or the kid was a wheelchair athlete. Even then 13:57 would be a stretch.
I just re-read my post and I just can't believe how stupid this poster is. You are smart enough to know that a 13:57 equates to 4:30 pace, but not smart enough to know that there is absolutely no chance it happened at your local 5k, or any other for that matter. Did you win in 12:30? You are wasting perfectly good oxygen.
The thing about Mondo is even if he plateaus in the next year or two like most of the young pole vault phenoms and only get a few inches better, he will be jumping high and consistent enough to make global championship finals. Btw, Mondo is super consistent and consistency in the pole vault is very important for many reasons, but one is the fact that many pole vaulters are not consistent. You can have a long pro career by being a consistent 5.8 type and consistency at 5.9 will put you in the hunt medals. This is low to mid-19 in feet and inches. It is amazing what he has been able to do for his size, but to get much further, you need bigger poles and to bend the heavier poles requires size and muscle.
People can argue, of course, but I'm still a fan of Gerry's 8:40.0 2M indoors.
I grew up in the Spokane area and we listened to Gerry's indoor races (yes, a radio broadcast!) that winter. His performances were simply astounding--otherworldly, esp. when compared to top international runners of the time.
Of course, the same was true of Ryun's races, that year and next: 3:39.0 after just having turned 17, when that mark made him something like the #10 performer of all time.