You do know that we have machines that can accept bills, like, only the past 100 or so years..!!!
You can still pay with cash, moran.
You do know that we have machines that can accept bills, like, only the past 100 or so years..!!!
You can still pay with cash, moran.
Why are you happy? wrote:
markschultz25 wrote:You want your $15/hr minumum wage huh? Well, Mr. 1's and 0's can do it for much cheaper!
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/wendys-plans-self-ordering-kiosks-at-1000-locations/497712313So, let me get this straight. You're happy that Americans are going to lose their jobs? You want corporations to amass wealth by cutting jobs while workers struggle to feed and cloth their kids? You must be a DemonRat that hard God, America, and apple pie.
Less low income money jobs == less low income families == less crime from low income families == less erratic drivers and beater cars on road == what am i even having to justify?
At no point in time did the fast food market promise lifelong sustainability for employee families. The intended employees were people who were trying to work their way up the ladder while in high school or college. Unfortunately the economy didnt pan out the way it was forecasted and now most fast food employees are people who fell off the ladder so to speak. No denying that jobs in fast food have a terrible stigma to it even for high schoolers. I guess what I am getting at besides a bunch of rattled opinions is that the fast food industry is a business and not an institution. Flipping burgers and making cheese sandwiches is not a skill. It is not a right either and many franchises have trouble finding good people. Drive thru experiences are hit or miss these days. When we target the fast food businesses with minimum wage hikes of course they are going to innovate to save money. Ignore warnings from economists that hiking wages depletes the dollar value and ruptures a natural inflation we joked about this robot takeover happening for years.
I work for a grocery store meat department as a counter clerk/janitor. If I stick it out (company provides a cheap insurance package and a 401k with an average match) I definitely see my job changing a lot at some point in my career. It wont change soon, since our middle age and elderly customers definitely appreciate the personal service. However, as my generation and the younger ones just coming up become the dominant customers, I believe self-service will be normal, with having something cut to order being an option.
Left Tackle wrote:
This isn't a response to $15/hr (it was already happening), just as grocery store kiosks weren't a response to outrageous minimum wages.
Self driving vehicles are going to replace ~ 6 million truck driving jobs, and that is just a taste of what's to come.
It may have already been happening, but it is absolutely something whose pace was quickened by the increase in minimum wages. What was not affordable when paying workers $10/hour all of a sudden becomes cheap when the alternative is paying $15/hour.
Wendy's has come out and said it is the result.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/12/wendys-automates-to-overcome-the-minimum-wage/"Say hello to your replacement"
Which is better, " a job at $8/hour OR NO job, but the one you can't have pays $15/hour?"
Except this is not due to minimum wage increases, it's due to technology advances.
Welcome to late stage capitalism, where companies trying to squeeze all profits automate everything they can (regardless of the wage it pays), and as the price of technology comes down and the ability of computer replacements goes up, we're going to have a lot of people replaced by machines!
zzzzzzz wrote:
Automation is going to replace a LOT of low wage jobs in the not-so-distant future.
We are going to have to figure out how to deal with that.
Ideally, we will funnel a LOT of money to planned parenthood over the next few years, and make sure that "certain types" aren't procreating. Demographics is destiny!
Margaret Sanger wrote:
zzzzzzz wrote:Automation is going to replace a LOT of low wage jobs in the not-so-distant future.
We are going to have to figure out how to deal with that.
Ideally, we will funnel a LOT of money to planned parenthood over the next few years, and make sure that "certain types" aren't procreating. Demographics is destiny!
+1, and this correlates nicely with the decline of violent crime in the last ~ 50 years (but that is for another thread). Unfortunately, the current people in power are going the other direction with PP.
Free market dude wrote:
markschultz25 wrote:You want your $15/hr minumum wage huh? Well, Mr. 1's and 0's can do it for much cheaper!
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/wendys-plans-self-ordering-kiosks-at-1000-locations/497712313Capitalism and innovation will always displace some people, but overall it adds value to the economy. It has since the industrial revolution. The most nimble, innovative, and hard working will succeed. But there will always be those who don't. The alternative is communism.
Not disagreeing, but just curious- if labor costs are reduced by installing kiosks, would those cost savings be directed to the customer, in the form of lower prices, or would the cost savings be added to the profit for the company? I'm inclined to think the latter.
I hope we all lose our jobs in the future. I personally need more free time to spend with myself.
markschultz25 wrote:
You want your $15/hr minumum wage huh? Well, Mr. 1's and 0's can do it for much cheaper!
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/wendys-plans-self-ordering-kiosks-at-1000-locations/497712313
Wendys is garbage food that will destroy your health and the people who work there are invariably idiots who screw up both in food preparation and service. The machines will take out the service screw-up part of the equation but not the food preparation incompetence.
FijiBeeGees wrote:
markschultz25 wrote:You want your $15/hr minumum wage huh? Well, Mr. 1's and 0's can do it for much cheaper!
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/wendys-plans-self-ordering-kiosks-at-1000-locations/497712313Wendys is garbage food that will destroy your health and the people who work there are invariably idiots who screw up both in food preparation and service. The machines will take out the service screw-up part of the equation but not the food preparation incompetence.
Some Wendy's have all you can eat salad bars, so there is healthy food and you serve yourself, bus your own table and ....stick it to the robot.
But somebody's still gotta clean the sneeze window.
True that grocery store self checkouts have cash options, but Paying by kiosk at Paneras there isnt a cash option, which Id bet is the way Wendy's will be.
Someone mentioned earlier the slowdown in self serve lines because of consumer ignorance on how to use the checkouts. The only slowdown I see is when some fool wants to self check a whole grocery cart or when a shopper is doing super crazy cross checking of prices verse what pops up on screen. To me grocery store self check out equates to express checking for limited items. Maybe not truly the case but since there are limited self check outs, it seems the polite thing to keep it quick.
It really will not be long before artificial intelligence replaces stock traders of all sorts. Most of all funds are managed through algorithms right now, so it's not much of a leap to take most of the humans out of the loop.
markschultz25 wrote:
You can't completely replace cashiers. What about the blind and the deaf customers who can't read/hear the kiosk instructions?
lol chances are they aren't going alone/can ask someone to order for them??? and it's not like the store will be empty bro
Great as long as they don't raise the price of their jr cb deluxe! I love those.
There will be plenty of jobs making, installing, and servicing all these machines they will be using to replace workers.
rojo wrote:
Why are you happy? wrote:So, let me get this straight. You're happy that Americans are going to lose their jobs? You want corporations to amass wealth by cutting jobs while workers struggle to feed and cloth their kids? You must be a DemonRat that hard God, America, and apple pie.
Nice point. I was reading an op-ed a year or two ago and the columnist retold a famous story from the 50s or 60s when some Ford or GM exec was taking a labor boss through a new plant and bragging about how they had robotic stuff and machines that would replace the workers. The union boss turned to him and said 'That's great. If we get rid of all the workers, who do you think will buy your cars?"
I think in 50 years we're going to have some weird problems. We'll need phones that self destruct or something after 5 years. Imagine if everything lasted forever, houses, cars, phones, etc. There would be no need to buy anything and the economy would crater.
Planned obsolescence had that covered a long time ago. Look no further than the light bulb.
companies doing really well now in fast food do higher quality burgers and fries and shakes (shake shack, in'n out burger, five guys, and a million copycats), not total garbage food like wendy's and mcdonald's. Wendy's had three things that I liked when I was a kid, the fact you could get a quadruple burger even if it was a crap burger, the frostee, and some sort of apple dumpling that was available on the way to the Sierras at a place owned, I think, by Gene Otto (? double 0 of the Raiders). But Shake Shack and a bunch of other places have far better milk shakes and the other food doesn't compare. As for the kiosks to buy stuff, that just shouts, "terrible food here." And it is a pain usually to use these, not fast or convenient at all actually, because they have had them for years at Home Depot and they are slow and inconvenient and often don't work--I'd always prefer to get served by a human being--it is quicker and works better, not because I can't hit buttons. A lesson from Home Depot is that if you don't have enough employees and ones that know what they are talking about to direct people to what they want to buy (or even to suggest they buy other things, which is what waiters and waitresses often do in restaurants), then you are going to lose out on a lot more sales than you save on employees. End the federal subsidy for nonexistent job training at places like this and they would stop the high turnover of ignorant employees and hire better paid, more knowledgeable, longer term employees.
Trump is Right wrote:
"Say hello to your replacement"
Which is better, " a job at $8/hour OR NO job, but the one you can't have pays $15/hour?"
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/minimum-wage-blowback-wendys-to-put-kiosks-in-all-6000-restaurants
If a job isn't paying someone enough to live, at some point it becomes no better than job that you can't have.
This sort of thing is going to become more common as the technology becomes cheaper and more available and as customers accept using it. Grocery stores have been using automated check outs for years, well before states began raising minimum wages. A lower minimum wage may slow the process but that's all it will do.
zzzzzzz wrote:
Automation is going to replace a LOT of low wage jobs in the not-so-distant future.
We are going to have to figure out how to deal with that.
I've got it figured out. 30 hour week baby!
More stuff can be done by machines, so more people don't have to do as much work and society accomplishes the same thing. So lessen the time at the complex job (those that a machine cannot yet do) and let 2 people do what 1 person used to do.
Let's take advantage of the automation revolution and use it to actually make our lives better with more leisure time. Who's with me? Let's start talking about this for the next election cycle.