At the Simplot Games, the only two-time NXN champ in US HS history, was stellar in the boys 3200. In a race held at 4,539 feet of altitude, Clinger, who has an 8:52 2-mile pb from last year outdoors, ran 8:54.97 in the boys 3200.
Now 8:54 indoors is great for a HSer. To do it a 4,500 feet of altitude is absurd. At that elevation, the NCAA would knock off 11.4 seconds from Clinger's time for a 3k - so about 12.1 seconds for 3200. So if you knock off 12 seconds and then add 3 back to convert to a 2-mile, Clinger basically ran the equivalent of a 8:45-6 2- mile.
Only 5 US highchoolers have ever run 8:45 or faster for the 2-mile indoors and just 3 Americans. Could Clinger be in the hunt for what we consider to be the record - Gerry Lindgren's 8:40 from 1964?
The fastest indoor 2 mile performers in US history.
8:39.15 &Edward Cheserek’ (St. Benedict’s, Newark, New Jersey) 2013
8:40.0 Gerry Lindgren (Rogers, Spokane, Washington) 1964
8:40.70 #Lukas Verzbicas’ (Orland, Sandburg Park, Illinois) 2011
8:42.7 Jeff Nelson (Burbank, California) 1979
8:45.19 Alan Webb (South Lakes, Reston, Virginia) 2001
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Name Year School Finals
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Finals
1 Clinger, Casey 12 American For,Americ 8:54.97
2 Barton, Garrett 12 Ogden Track,Ogden, 9:20.41
3 Feeny, Travis 12 Ogden Track,Ogden, 9:26.23
4 Equall, Chase 12 Bozeman Dist,Bozema 9:26.79
5 Cooper, Haydon 12 Maple Mounta,Spanis 9:28.35
6 Kallgren, Wesley 11 Star Valley,Afton, 9:28.68
7 Haroldsen, Coen 12 Haroldsen, C,Idaho 9:29.76
8 Osterstock, Nate 12 Olympus,Holladay, U 9:31.28
9 Perry, Denver 12 Bonneville T,Ogden, 9:34.98
10 Condelario, Garrett 12 Mustangs of,Casper, 9:37.37
11 Hinckley, Michael 12 Skyridge Fal,Lehi, 9:38.81
12 Beatty, Marshall 12 Mountain Wes,Missou 9:47.78
13 Maqtal, Abdi 12 Team-Idaho,Boise, I 9:57.55
14 Todd, Camren 12 Davis Track,Kaysvil 9:57.86
Clinger wasn't the only NXN champ to excel as women's NXN champ Brie Oakley won the girls 1600 in 4:48. The NCAA would take 5.5 seconds off the time in their conversion so think of that as a 4:43 flat for 1600.
Finals
1 Oakley, Brie 12 Oakley, Brie,Centen 4:48.53 3
2 Halladay, Lexy 9 Team-Idaho,Boise, I 5:01.80 3
3 Hollingsworth, Sammy 12 American For,Americ 5:10.83 3
4 Marler, Mackenzie 10 Cheyenne Eas,Cheyen 5:11.14 3
5 Musselman, Sara 12 American For,Americ 5:11.84 2
6 Kenyon, Madi 10 Rough Rider,Johnsto 5:11.96 3
7 Olsen, Molly 12 Mustangs of,Casper, 5:12.50 3
8 Struthers, Kaitlin 12 Skyridge Fal,Lehi, 5:14.49 3
9 Drollinger, Paytin 12 Shelley,Shelley, ID 5:15.27 2
10 Lee, McKenna 11 Warrior Trac,Pleasa 5:15.68 2
11 Wright, Lexi 11 American For,Americ 5:16.44 3
12 Johnson, Emmy 9 Laramie Trac,Larami 5:17.90 2
13 Miller, Claudia 10 Cheyenne Cen,Cheyen 5:19.19 3
14 Corrales, Lina 11 Lion Speed T,Denver 5:21.23 2
15 Jenkins, Emma 11 Jenkins, Emm,Camas, 5:21.48 3
15 Gigstad, Hannah 11 Ric Rojas Ru,Broomf 5:21.48 2
17 Behunin, Hannah 12 Evanston Tra,Evanst 5:21.59 2
18 Duckworth, Katie 11 Olympus,Holladay, U 5:22.56 1
19 Connell, Jenna 12 Davis Track,Kaysvil 5:23.06 2
20 Weaver, Miah 12 Davis Track,Kaysvil 5:24.24 3
So Sick: Casey Clinger just ran 8:54 at 4,500 feet of altitude!! Crushed field and won by 25+ seconds.
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awesome race. I watched it at the meet right up next to the track. Negative split. 4:28 and then a 4:26.
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Elevation of Utah County
Utah Valley lies at the center of the county, lined by the mountains of the Wasatch Range on the east. Utah Lake occupies a large part of the valley. The elevation ranges from 4,487 feet (1,368 m) above sea level at the lake to 11,928 feet (3,636 m) at the peak of Mount Nebo.
He is completely altitude adjusted
He gets no gap time wise.
This is where he runs all the time.People should now get a clue on adjustments. -
Trialswatcher wrote:
Elevation of Utah County
Utah Valley lies at the center of the county, lined by the mountains of the Wasatch Range on the east. Utah Lake occupies a large part of the valley. The elevation ranges from 4,487 feet (1,368 m) above sea level at the lake to 11,928 feet (3,636 m) at the peak of Mount Nebo.
He is completely altitude adjusted
He gets no gap time wise.
This is where he runs all the time.People should now get a clue on adjustments.
How did that kind of malarkey you're spewing work out for Soratos? -
Rojo really? It is getting quite nutty what people are giving completely altitude adjusted guys, Saarel, Perrin et. al.
And Keino and Ryun should have gotten 6 at Mexico City?
No one would ever think either?
Maybe, maybe if he went to sea level, he may have run faster. -
How is he sick? Does he have the flu?
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Are you saying that because he is used to running at altitude, running at a lower altitude doesn't affect him? If so then that's far from the truth. I actually live in Utah County. When I go anywhere with lower altitude, it becomes so much easier to run. Breathing is much easier and times are affected because of it. Just because I'm used to running at high altitude doesn't mean that low altitude won't make my times better and same goes for Clinger.
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Trialswatcher wrote:
Elevation of Utah County
Utah Valley lies at the center of the county, lined by the mountains of the Wasatch Range on the east. Utah Lake occupies a large part of the valley. The elevation ranges from 4,487 feet (1,368 m) above sea level at the lake to 11,928 feet (3,636 m) at the peak of Mount Nebo.
He is completely altitude adjusted
He gets no gap time wise.
This is where he runs all the time.People should now get a clue on adjustments.
Trump has a science position for you in his cabinet. -
That facility looks cool! Where is that?
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https://www.thehjp.com/elite-athletes
Do you think they made this because of letsrun?? You think they read letsrun? -
Hikeschool wrote:
That facility looks cool! Where is that?
Idaho State University, Pocatello, Idaho. -
BTW, Lindgren's 8;40 on an 11 lap to the mile track converts to 8;34 using the NCAA conversion method.
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Nsnsnsns wrote:
How is he sick? Does he have the flu?
I think he is a stage 3 clinger. -
If he's really sick, why not take him to a doctor? He will race a ton better when he's healthy. Even I know that and I'm not a doctor
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he won by 25 seconds, so was not flat out. give him good competition at sea level and he'll run close to 8:40, because there is an advantage going to sea level from altitude even for people born at altitude. But the advantage will vary. The calculations depend upon a lot of non-altitude people going to altitude and racing without being adjusted to it.
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Elevation and temperature adjustments are useful guides but acclimatization impacts results.
A HS distance runner fron Houston going to the Simplot games would have found running in the dry thin air next to impossible and the adjustments would hold true, while the locals obviously aren't impacted at all.
On the flip side there were several Houston area outdoor meets yesterday with the 1600m being run in the afternoon in 85F humid weather and full sun,
I dont think those temps really impact the locals (it's been a hot winter) but had somebody like Clinger come down for a meet I guarantee the temps would impact there results. -
Just another guy wrote:
Elevation and temperature adjustments are useful guides but acclimatization impacts results.
A HS distance runner fron Houston going to the Simplot games would have found running in the dry thin air next to impossible and the adjustments would hold true, while the locals obviously aren't impacted at all.
On the flip side there were several Houston area outdoor meets yesterday with the 1600m being run in the afternoon in 85F humid weather and full sun,
I dont think those temps really impact the locals (it's been a hot winter) but had somebody like Clinger come down for a meet I guarantee the temps would impact there results.
This is not true... more oxygen=faster, look what happens when good runners train at high altitude and go to sea level...
for example, Bozeman had only 1 guy go sub 15 in the 3 mile and went on to win nationals -
The 2-mile indoor 8:40 mentioned by Lindgren was in a battle with Ron CLarke, WR-holder. Here are the two duking it out over three miles outdoors:
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Trialswatcher wrote:
Rojo really? It is getting quite nutty what people are giving completely altitude adjusted guys, Saarel, Perrin et. al.
And Keino and Ryun should have gotten 6 at Mexico City?
No one would ever think either?
Maybe, maybe if he went to sea level, he may have run faster.
We see what you're doing puto. Keino was probably aided by the altitude in Mexico City. Ryun was hindered (never mind his lack of conditioning) and his performance was likely worth 2 seconds faster, maybe 3 at sea level.
Clinger? He's not from a group of people who've been at altitude for 100,000 years so he's not like a Kenyan. He's acclimated to a point, but can never be completely adjusted. Go back to the b.s. superfan blog and enjoy the company of like-minded idiots.
