This article had a few interesting anecdotes but it angered me more than anything. Release the details of the attempt now. Stop insulting our intelligence.
http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/what-nikes-breaking2-team-learned-in-africa
It talks a lot of about Tadese. Please. The idea that RW and Nike are supposedly even contemplating Tadese, who is 35 and never broken 2:10:41 in the marathon, doing a sub-2 is ludicrous. He didn't even break 60:00 for the half last year.
The idea that RW won't force Nike to reveal the details of project before writing another word about the project is equally ridiculous. This is really starting to get a little embarrassing from a journalism standpoint. It's turning into a multi-month long sponsored post. If Nike is paying for any of RW's expenses, I hope they reveal it.
I'd be totally fine with everything that's going on if they would simply announce the details first - then let people cover it if they see fit. Give RW all the exclusive access you want. But don't not tell us what is going to happen.
Ridiculous: It's almost March and Nike still hasn't released sub-2 details - still continues to milk RW for free pub
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its called fake news!!
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Do y'all think they meant Desisa runs 200km (124miles) a week not 200 miles a week? I know Desisa is a beast but 200 sounds pretty ridiculous
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umm...Why does Nike owe "Rojo" an explanation or details? Rojo and this site are "peanuts" from their perspective.
rojo wrote:
This article had a few interesting anecdotes but it angered me more than anything. Release the details of the attempt now. Stop insulting our intelligence.
http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/what-nikes-breaking2-team-learned-in-africa
It talks a lot of about Tadese. Please. The idea that RW and Nike are supposedly even contemplating Tadese, who is 35 and never broken 2:10:41 in the marathon, doing a sub-2 is ludicrous. He didn't even break 60:00 for the half last year.
The idea that RW won't force Nike to reveal the details of project before writing another word about the project is equally ridiculous. This is really starting to get a little embarrassing from a journalism standpoint. It's turning into a multi-month long sponsored post. If Nike is paying for any of RW's expenses, I hope they reveal it.
I'd be totally fine with everything that's going on if they would simply announce the details first - then let people cover it if they see fit. Give RW all the exclusive access you want. But don't not tell us what is going to happen. -
Sub 2 is not happening in any of our lifetimes, without a major gimmick like ALL down hill like the Fontana Half Marathon, even that would be hard as the quads would be so beat up by 20 miles.
This is silly, 3 great runners just doing a sideshow, when they could be running REAL Half or Full Marathons in the Spring. -
The advice the Nike team gave his coach: Focus on accumulating more volume in the training zone between lactate threshold and lactate turnpoint, with tempo runs, fast steady runs, and long intervals lasting between three and ten minutes. While the other two runners have a big endurance base but still need to add speed, Tadese has all the speed he needs but should work on sustainability.
Because coaching by lab test and scientific theory was a glorious success with the low mileage Americans of the nineties and early 2000s.
Whatever the numbers say, I've watched Kipchoge and Tadese run and it's obvious who has more speed. -
Monster mileage? wrote:
Do y'all think they meant Desisa runs 200km (124miles) a week not 200 miles a week? I know Desisa is a beast but 200 sounds pretty ridiculous
No, it was 200 miles a week - that's why they were surprised. For an elite marathoner, 200 km/week wouldn't be at all unusual. For example, the day he did his 35K run at 5:20/mile, he doubled back that evening with another one-hour run.
>>>"Whatever the numbers say, I've watched Kipchoge and Tadese run and it's obvious who has more speed."
The point wasn't about who has more speed, it was about training focus. Kipchoge and Desisa have just done their first interval sessions of the year, and have been focusing more on base (which isn't particularly surprising). Tadese, on the other hand, has been including much more intensity in his program. They're coming from opposite directions.
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Hey Rojo, why don't you get together with Galen Rupp and Jim Walmsley and do your own sub 2 project?
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It's simple, really. You all are just too dumb to see what will happen. Nike will have a site with carbon fibre springs in them that greatly increases stride length and efficiency. A sub-2 hour marathon would be easy.
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Sub 2 will happen. Think multiple loop, completely flat course. Will have a giant fan blowing about 50 MPH behind the runners' backs at all times.
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THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING:
4:34 PACE PER MILE FOR 26.2 MILES.
SUB 2:00 NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. FACT. -
Epo says yes. Just need enough.
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Can't beat em join em......... wrote:
Hey Rojo, why don't you get together with Galen Rupp and Jim Walmsley and do your own sub 2 project?
5/10 LOL What? I am a fan of both of those runners but they should never be used in the same sentence, ever. -
Bens wrote:
Can't beat em join em......... wrote:
Hey Rojo, why don't you get together with Galen Rupp and Jim Walmsley and do your own sub 2 project?
5/10 LOL What? I am a fan of both of those runners but they should never be used in the same sentence, ever.
Sorry about that. Rupp would get demolished by Walmsley at Western States.
Actually Rojo should be jumping on the SUB 14 bandwagon. -
You're talking about it aren't ya?
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Meanwhile, your website trolls itself to keep views/posts up... who is the real joke?
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douglas burke wrote:
Sub 2 is not happening in any of our lifetimes, without a major gimmick like ALL down hill like the Fontana Half Marathon, even that would be hard as the quads would be so beat up by 20 miles.
This is silly, 3 great runners just doing a sideshow, when they could be running REAL Half or Full Marathons in the Spring.
What do you think is possible in the next 80 or so years (i.e any of the HSers who post here have a decent shot to living past 90)? 3 mins doesn't sound too crazy to me over a time period like that. For reference that is what we have taken off in the last 20 years. Last 80 years is like 25 mins. 2 hours is fast. It isn't a time that seems impossible (versus say running a mile in 3 mins).
That being said Nike's attempt seems like a PR event. The question is if you do something like set up a 5 mile loop of synthetic surface and who knows what else, how do you feel about it as a record? What about about if they set it up so there is a tailwind on half of the course? -
I hope you will post the same thing about the "Clean Sport" project or whatever it is. They've been claiming for months they are going to release their plans, meanwhile they are collect $$ and selling "marketing" opportunities.
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douglas burke wrote:
Sub 2 is not happening in any of our lifetimes, without a major gimmick like ALL down hill like the Fontana Half Marathon, even that would be hard as the quads would be so beat up by 20 miles.
This is silly, 3 great runners just doing a sideshow, when they could be running REAL Half or Full Marathons in the Spring.
So what does it matter to you bozo? who owes you anything. -
douglas burke wrote:
Sub 2 is not happening in any of our lifetimes, without a major gimmick like ALL down hill like the Fontana Half Marathon, even that would be hard as the quads would be so beat up by 20 miles.
You're so sure? In my 30 years of life it's dropped from 2:07:12 to 2:02:57, 10 seconds per mile mile faster. We're only looking for about 7 more seconds per mile off. Someone will do that before I die.
