Ridiculous: It's almost March and Nike still hasn't released sub-2 details - still continues to milk RW for free pub

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  • rojo
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    3 years ago 02/18/2017 9:52am CST
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    This article had a few interesting anecdotes but it angered me more than anything. Release the details of the attempt now. Stop insulting our intelligence.

    http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/what-nikes-breaking2-team-learned-in-africa

    It talks a lot of about Tadese. Please. The idea that RW and Nike are supposedly even contemplating Tadese, who is 35 and never broken 2:10:41 in the marathon, doing a sub-2 is ludicrous. He didn't even break 60:00 for the half last year.

    The idea that RW won't force Nike to reveal the details of project before writing another word about the project is equally ridiculous. This is really starting to get a little embarrassing from a journalism standpoint. It's turning into a multi-month long sponsored post. If Nike is paying for any of RW's expenses, I hope they reveal it.

    I'd be totally fine with everything that's going on if they would simply announce the details first - then let people cover it if they see fit. Give RW all the exclusive access you want. But don't not tell us what is going to happen.
  • jgligh.nkm
    3 years ago 02/18/2017 10:44am CST
    re: rojo
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    its called fake news!!
  • Monster mileage?
    3 years ago 02/18/2017 12:09pm CST
    re: rojo
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    Do y'all think they meant Desisa runs 200km (124miles) a week not 200 miles a week? I know Desisa is a beast but 200 sounds pretty ridiculous
  • leanchicken
    3 years ago 02/18/2017 12:14pm CST
    re: rojo
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    umm...Why does Nike owe "Rojo" an explanation or details? Rojo and this site are "peanuts" from their perspective.



    rojo wrote:

    This article had a few interesting anecdotes but it angered me more than anything. Release the details of the attempt now. Stop insulting our intelligence.

    http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/what-nikes-breaking2-team-learned-in-africa

    It talks a lot of about Tadese. Please. The idea that RW and Nike are supposedly even contemplating Tadese, who is 35 and never broken 2:10:41 in the marathon, doing a sub-2 is ludicrous. He didn't even break 60:00 for the half last year.

    The idea that RW won't force Nike to reveal the details of project before writing another word about the project is equally ridiculous. This is really starting to get a little embarrassing from a journalism standpoint. It's turning into a multi-month long sponsored post. If Nike is paying for any of RW's expenses, I hope they reveal it.

    I'd be totally fine with everything that's going on if they would simply announce the details first - then let people cover it if they see fit. Give RW all the exclusive access you want. But don't not tell us what is going to happen.
  • douglas burke
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    3 years ago 02/18/2017 12:43pm CST
    re: leanchicken
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    Sub 2 is not happening in any of our lifetimes, without a major gimmick like ALL down hill like the Fontana Half Marathon, even that would be hard as the quads would be so beat up by 20 miles.

    This is silly, 3 great runners just doing a sideshow, when they could be running REAL Half or Full Marathons in the Spring.
  • abraham chebii
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    3 years ago 02/18/2017 12:53pm CST
    re: rojo
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    The advice the Nike team gave his coach: Focus on accumulating more volume in the training zone between lactate threshold and lactate turnpoint, with tempo runs, fast steady runs, and long intervals lasting between three and ten minutes. While the other two runners have a big endurance base but still need to add speed, Tadese has all the speed he needs but should work on sustainability.

    Because coaching by lab test and scientific theory was a glorious success with the low mileage Americans of the nineties and early 2000s.

    Whatever the numbers say, I've watched Kipchoge and Tadese run and it's obvious who has more speed.
  • Alex Hutchinson-
    3 years ago 02/18/2017 4:32pm CST
    re: Monster mileage?
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    Monster mileage? wrote:

    Do y'all think they meant Desisa runs 200km (124miles) a week not 200 miles a week? I know Desisa is a beast but 200 sounds pretty ridiculous

    No, it was 200 miles a week - that's why they were surprised. For an elite marathoner, 200 km/week wouldn't be at all unusual. For example, the day he did his 35K run at 5:20/mile, he doubled back that evening with another one-hour run.

    >>>"Whatever the numbers say, I've watched Kipchoge and Tadese run and it's obvious who has more speed."

    The point wasn't about who has more speed, it was about training focus. Kipchoge and Desisa have just done their first interval sessions of the year, and have been focusing more on base (which isn't particularly surprising). Tadese, on the other hand, has been including much more intensity in his program. They're coming from opposite directions.

    And for the record, no, Nike is not paying any of my or RW's expenses.
  • Can't beat em join em.........
    3 years ago 02/18/2017 7:15pm CST
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    Hey Rojo, why don't you get together with Galen Rupp and Jim Walmsley and do your own sub 2 project?
  • Wise One
    3 years ago 02/18/2017 7:20pm CST
    re: rojo
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    It's simple, really. You all are just too dumb to see what will happen. Nike will have a site with carbon fibre springs in them that greatly increases stride length and efficiency. A sub-2 hour marathon would be easy.
  • MeHereYouWhere?!
    3 years ago 02/18/2017 9:06pm CST
    re: Wise One
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    Sub 2 will happen. Think multiple loop, completely flat course. Will have a giant fan blowing about 50 MPH behind the runners' backs at all times.
  • Reality Wall
    3 years ago 02/18/2017 9:24pm CST
    re: rojo
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    THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING:
    4:34 PACE PER MILE FOR 26.2 MILES.

    SUB 2:00 NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. FACT.
  • pop_pop!_v2.2.1
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 12:05am CST
    re: Reality Wall
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    Epo says yes. Just need enough.
  • Bens
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 12:47am CST
    re: Can't beat em join em.........
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    Can't beat em join em......... wrote:

    Hey Rojo, why don't you get together with Galen Rupp and Jim Walmsley and do your own sub 2 project?

    5/10 LOL What? I am a fan of both of those runners but they should never be used in the same sentence, ever.
  • Can't beat em join em.........
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 1:05am CST
    re: Bens
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    Bens wrote:

    Can't beat em join em......... wrote:

    Hey Rojo, why don't you get together with Galen Rupp and Jim Walmsley and do your own sub 2 project?

    5/10 LOL What? I am a fan of both of those runners but they should never be used in the same sentence, ever.


    Sorry about that. Rupp would get demolished by Walmsley at Western States.

    Actually Rojo should be jumping on the SUB 14 bandwagon.
  • RW FTW
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 6:19am CST
    re: rojo
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    You're talking about it aren't ya?

    RW 1
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  • Macdaddy
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 10:15am CST
    re: rojo
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    Meanwhile, your website trolls itself to keep views/posts up... who is the real joke?
  • asdfasdasf
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 4:06pm CST
    re: douglas burke
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    douglas burke wrote:

    Sub 2 is not happening in any of our lifetimes, without a major gimmick like ALL down hill like the Fontana Half Marathon, even that would be hard as the quads would be so beat up by 20 miles.

    This is silly, 3 great runners just doing a sideshow, when they could be running REAL Half or Full Marathons in the Spring.

    What do you think is possible in the next 80 or so years (i.e any of the HSers who post here have a decent shot to living past 90)? 3 mins doesn't sound too crazy to me over a time period like that. For reference that is what we have taken off in the last 20 years. Last 80 years is like 25 mins. 2 hours is fast. It isn't a time that seems impossible (versus say running a mile in 3 mins).

    That being said Nike's attempt seems like a PR event. The question is if you do something like set up a 5 mile loop of synthetic surface and who knows what else, how do you feel about it as a record? What about about if they set it up so there is a tailwind on half of the course?
  • UR Ridonk
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 6:57pm CST
    re: rojo
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    I hope you will post the same thing about the "Clean Sport" project or whatever it is. They've been claiming for months they are going to release their plans, meanwhile they are collect $$ and selling "marketing" opportunities.
  • UR Ridonk
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 6:58pm CST
    re: douglas burke
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    douglas burke wrote:

    Sub 2 is not happening in any of our lifetimes, without a major gimmick like ALL down hill like the Fontana Half Marathon, even that would be hard as the quads would be so beat up by 20 miles.

    This is silly, 3 great runners just doing a sideshow, when they could be running REAL Half or Full Marathons in the Spring.

    So what does it matter to you bozo? who owes you anything.
  • gahauga
    3 years ago 02/19/2017 10:28pm CST
    re: douglas burke
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    douglas burke wrote:

    Sub 2 is not happening in any of our lifetimes, without a major gimmick like ALL down hill like the Fontana Half Marathon, even that would be hard as the quads would be so beat up by 20 miles.

    You're so sure? In my 30 years of life it's dropped from 2:07:12 to 2:02:57, 10 seconds per mile mile faster. We're only looking for about 7 more seconds per mile off. Someone will do that before I die.